Episode 7

October 29, 2023


Halloween Special

Hosted by

Ryan Parish Keith Bloomfield Leigh Price Mat Lovell Sam Edwards
Halloween Special
Geeky Brummie
Halloween Special

Oct 29 2023 | 01:07:36


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On this issue, its a spooky special! We look into what makes a good horror franchise judge the tip 20 'horror' films if they are really deserving of being called horror movies, plus our ‘One Geek Thing’.

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[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to the Geeky Bromine podcast. [00:00:03] Speaker B: Joining me today, mr. Keith Boomfield. [00:00:06] Speaker A: Hello. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Mr. Sam graven. [00:00:09] Speaker A: Edwards. Hello. [00:00:11] Speaker B: And myself, Mr. Ryan Parrish. It's a Halloween edition of the Geeky Brewery podcast. Join us. We'll be talking all about our favorite Halloween films, some of the highest grossing horror that was a horrible sentence. Highest grood highest grossing horror films of all time. And we were talking about what makes a scary franchise an actual franchise. [00:00:37] Speaker A: Don't. [00:00:57] Speaker B: What makes a horror film franchise a horror film franchise? There's been quite a few recent ish franchises, shall we say, which are kind of not a franchise, but a franchise. Sam Condring, I know you're a fan of those films. [00:01:11] Speaker A: Well, I wouldn't say I'm a fan of those films. I'm aware of those films. Yeah. So conjuring. I think it's quite cleverly. Tried to get away from the sort of endless sequels of something like Halloween, but in a way that still allows it to release endless films by having its first film establish a whole range of sort of ghosty demony characters and then have a load of spin offs that give you the backstory of those monsters. So there's three Conjuring films, but then there's also, I think, been three Annabelle films and a couple of films about. [00:01:50] Speaker B: The Nun, which must say worst named horror film character. [00:01:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it's a very creepy nun. I haven't seen either of the Nun films, I must admit. But yeah, so it's almost creating its own little cinematic universe, basically. So I would say that's more of a franchise in a way than something like Saw, where it's a film with lots of sequels. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah, because we've had quite a lot of examples of where you've had franchises. You mentioned Saw where, like, Jigsaw dies halfway through the franchise and then they still carry on. We've seen it with Child's Play, I think, where Chucky gets replaced at halfway through the franchise. Now he's back in it, Friday the 13th. Particular example. Jason. Jason seems to have just be unkillable. And then you've got Halloween, which is kind of varied. But Halloween took a diversion quite early in its franchise with Halloween three season of the Witch. I think it's one of the better Halloween movies, but it doesn't have Michael Myers in it. I mean, Keith, what's your thoughts on Halloween as a franchise? [00:03:01] Speaker C: Obviously, I love the original because it kind of set the tone for what would develop into the slasher genre. I love Halloween three season of the Witch because that was the first Halloween film I saw at the cinema, but also because it was so weird and different and has one of the spookiest songs that can ever be heard in it. It was really great. And I loved it because it was very much of its time, very much an 80s movie. But I think for me, a franchise has to at least have some continuance of the story in it. I think a lot of these kind of franchise movies just play on the name. So they call themselves a Friday the 13th or a Halloween. But they're kind of just approximations of that scenario and don't really continue any of the kind of stories. And that's what's happened with the Halloween. They kind of rebooted it. So I think once you reboot it, it becomes a separate thing. Even though it's using the same kind of premise, it's not carrying on. And I think once you start doing that, I suppose it's just that it's a sellable name. People are going to come and see a Halloween film or a Friday the 13th, or a Nightmare on Elm Street film. So it's got cachet as a name. And I think that's what the studios like to do and keep those franchises going purely because they can sell you anything under that name. I mean, I've recently seen Evil Dead Rise, which in effect is supposedly a continuation of the first three, the Sam Raimi ones, rather than the reboot that was done in 2013. [00:04:37] Speaker B: Because I think they're all officially allowed because in the first Evil Dead, they said there were three different Necronomicons. So they're classing Sam Raimi's original trilogy as Necronomicon number one. The reboot is necronomicon number two. And this Evil Dead Rise new franchise is necronomicon number three, possibly. So I think that's the way they've been getting around it. And they're all still officially in the same universe, but they're all but I. [00:05:05] Speaker C: Think what you have is that you have diminishing returns because there's moments in Rise which are kind of like, you go, that's kind of cool. But it doesn't have the same effect as the original Evil Dead trilogy, which really works. Same with kind of like the original Friday the 13th or the Halloweens or whatever it is. The newer iterations don't really have the same impact anymore. And I think that's probably where something like the Conjuring at least is trying to do something new. But even then, the conjuring is still doing things like Amityville horror. All of these stories in some way, particularly things like The Nun and Annabelle are all kind of all based on like the Enfield haunting and similar kind know, kind of real events that happen. So it's whether it's kind of again, you've got the difference between horror and paranormal and Sci-Fi horror and slasher. And so it's kind of a mixed. [00:06:00] Speaker B: I think Exorcist is a great example. Think Bloomhouse bought the rights for that. And the guy who made the terrible Halloween reboot can't remember what his name is. Terrible director. [00:06:11] Speaker C: Probably thinking about Rob Zombie. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Not Rob zombie. The ones after that. It was what's his face. I'm going to go out my head. Halloween Kills the guy directed that. [00:06:21] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:06:22] Speaker B: He also did Pineapple Express because that's the continuation you want to see in someone's career where they move from stony movies into horror films. But Bloomhouse had bought the exorcist rights. William Friedkin was not very happy at all when he heard about it. I think especially the guy from the Pineapple Express mess messing with his magnum opus, basically. But they've already confirmed three films and they've released The Exorcist recent one, which you can't believe it. [00:06:52] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's a definite case of trading on the name, really, more than anything else. I'd rather see more people like Jordan Peele who are kind of just doing modern kind of horror or horror adjacent kind of things. [00:07:07] Speaker B: Do you think even Jordan Peele's getting minimal returns now because we had Get Out, which was fantastic. I really loved that. And then you had US, which was, again, one of the better ones, probably not as popular as Get Out. And then the most recent one, which the name is Nope. [00:07:24] Speaker C: I love nope. [00:07:25] Speaker B: I really loved nope. But it hasn't performed at the box office anywhere near the way that Get Out and US did. [00:07:31] Speaker A: No, but I think that's a shame because there's no particular reason for it. It is a fantastic film. [00:07:38] Speaker C: It was the film that I thought should have won the Sound Oscars last year because I thought the sound in Night was phenomenal. [00:07:46] Speaker A: Yeah, really chilling. [00:07:47] Speaker C: Yeah, it was absolutely brilliant. The sound editing and the sound on that film was fantastic. [00:07:52] Speaker A: I do think that the scenes with the chimp in that, without wanting to say too much, or anyone who hasn't seen it, but some of the scariest scenes I've seen in the cinema in a long time. [00:08:03] Speaker B: But is that kind of the problem is horror films have never been well regarded by awards and they've always kind of been boxed off into their little kind of schlocky horror mean. And the problem is you get stuff like Resident Evil franchise, which has continued far beyond anybody hoped it would think, apart from maybe Paul Vervin and Mila Jovich, his bank accounts. [00:08:28] Speaker A: But it's a problem most genres have, I think, when it comes to award season. The Oscars like their big dramas. It takes a really big genre film like Lord of the Rings or something to break through that. [00:08:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I was thinking so we had the Dark Universe from Universal, which was supposed to be kicked off with the Tom Cruise Mummy film, which had the worst trader of all time, where they forgot to actually add the sound effects in, I think, music to it, if remember, that was released. But that just completely died of death because there was supposed to be ten or 15 different horror movies based off the back of that Mummy reboot. [00:09:12] Speaker A: Yeah, they did The Invisible Man, which was originally meant to be part of that, but then when the cinematic universe wasn't really working, they just let it be its own thing. And that was great as well, actually. [00:09:24] Speaker B: But I think the problem is, for modern audiences, especially with The Mummy as a franchise it's not a horror film anymore. Everybody remembers it more from the Brendan Fraser series of movies than Steven Sanderberg, steven Sommer sorry, where it's kind of those kind of Mummy, Mummy Returns, which were more action movies with a little bit of hokey horror elements to a certain extent, in there. [00:09:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's a problem you've. [00:09:46] Speaker C: Got with the whole Universal side of things is because when those movies originated and they would be considered horror films, and I'm a big fan of that Universal era. So your Dracula's, your Wolfman's, your Black Lagoon, all of those. But they're so of their time that it's difficult to make those horrific in modern terms. I mean, you've had kind of Jack Nicholson attempt it. You've had The Wolfman more recently as well. And it's kind of like apart from something like American Werewolf in London or Dog Soldiers, the werewolf movie kind of it's become part of that one where you've got you've got films they now play more towards the comedy side of things. It's more that it's played for laughs rather than for horror. And I think I can't think of a really good Wolf man werewolf movie. I did see one recently, which was okay, but again, it was played for laughs. There was a lot of comedy actors in it and it's kind of like, well, is that where horror's got to now? Is that they can't play it fully for shocks because the audience just don't want to be scared that much, so they play it for laughs. And because that's what happened with Sam Raimi when he started to take the Evil Dead trilogy more towards the kind of slightly comedy side of things. Is that what people expect from horror now is that it's always tinged with a bit of humour. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Bringing up Sam Raimi is a perfect segue because the last Doctor Strange movie, which is probably some people would say is a horror film as such because it has the Sam Raimi elements into it. It is quite dark in certain places, especially with the Starless Witch storyline, but that still played very safely with what was quite horrific scenes in it. If you think about the whole when she's facing off against the Scarlet Witch versus the Illuminati scene, that's quite a horrific segment of events. But it seems to be more horror now. Seems to live better on TV and streaming services more than anything else. I mean, we've seen quite a resurgence, especially on Netflix. They've had the Sabrina series and the Riverdale series and spin offs of those wednesday wednesday is again, is that horrible? [00:12:07] Speaker A: It's not, but I was just thinking that when you were talking about the werewolf films because werewolves have almost become like a character type rather than a horror movie monster. Like, you get stuff like Wednesday or Harry Potter or Twilight, where werewolves are a community and vampires have the same sort of thing. People are more interested in learning about the kind of the mythos behind that group of characters within the film than they are about actually seeing it as a monster. And yeah, I suppose that has its roots in the Universal films that did give them a bit more personality and more of a character than you get with a lot of modern horror movie villains. [00:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I think horror has always bubbled away under the surface at the cinema. It's always kind of there's always going to be a horror film out at Halloween because it's easy money for a studio and usually they're made quite cheaply nowadays as well. Small cast, small location, easy to get around, quick way of doing it. But I think services such as like Sugar has really come into the fore where it's kind of capitalized on something of taking over horror as its genre. If you want to go to horror, nine times out of ten it's on Shoulder now, whereas you wouldn't find it normally on other streaming service except for does flanderized work for kind of horror films that are no longer horror. You've taken the elements of the horror and then taken the actual scary stuff away from it. [00:13:44] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, I think that's the thing is that you get stuff that's creepy and then you get stuff that's horrific and it's whether you're going to go for that. A lot of where horror went quite prominently in the kind of late ninety s and early 2000s was a kind of gore thing. It was all about seeing something final destination, franchise taboo. [00:14:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:08] Speaker C: Whereas I've always kind of gone towards the kind of creepy side or the kind of monstery side. So I kind of like things like cabin in the woods where you got that kind of monster thing and then it was the creepiness of those things chasing you and some high concept stuff as well I've quite liked, although they've not ended up as good as I would like. Things like it follows where the idea is quite creepy that there's this thing and I kind of like that's why I like monsters, like zombies or aliens, when there's kind of not a way of rationalizing or reasoning with whatever it is that this thing that will just keep coming and it will get you and you can't reason with it. And it's just that I find that quite terrifying, the idea of something other that you just cannot rationalize with. And the thing with your werewolves and your vampires nowadays is that they're quite chatty and you can kind of talk about it, you can kind of talk to them and there's not that relentless kind of feeling of they are just, oh my gosh, they are just going to come and get me. [00:15:12] Speaker B: But going back to the peak of horror, late 70s, early 80s, when we had Halloween Nightmare in Elm Street of Friday the 13th, even, they have become archetypes themselves. So like Halloween is the atypical Slasher movie. Jason Voorhees in Friday the 13th is the killer that never stops. You run him over, you put an axe in his head, he'll still get up and keep Jason. And then Freddy's just became a joke towards the end, especially with kind of stuff like Freddie versus Jason, which was just the death knell of both those franchises to a certain extent. But then we've seen attempts to try and get that serious back and try and reboot it. So, for example, the Jackie O'Halle reboot of Nightmare on Elm Street. We've had Halloween rebooted twice. Once with Rob Zombie, then the second run, which was kind of bringing Jamie Lee Curtis back to kind of legitimize it, same as they just did with the recent Halloween exorcist believer movie. They brought some of the original cast back to try and legitimize this soft reboot. But do you think it's just lost its sting, those kind of 80s gore fests? [00:16:23] Speaker A: I think they struggled to do anything original because there's been so many films in those genres, even just within those series, and there's only so many things you can do with a guy that walks around with a knife and can take a hit. [00:16:41] Speaker B: If you think about some of the directors who started off in horror and then have gone on to other things. So like Guillaume del Toro, especially Peter Jackson, started very much in kind of those body horror. Paul Verhoven very kind of gruesome stuff. David Cronenberger, then they've moved into other things. Now there doesn't seem to be that new generation of AV apart from Jordan Peele, who've come out of that. I mean, we had M. Night Chamalayan, who just, oh, it's a scary not a horror movie. It's got some jump scares in it and there'll be a twist. And that's what he got known for. [00:17:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I wouldn't say his is necessarily horror. I'd say Ariasta, who directed Midsummer and. [00:17:20] Speaker C: Hereditary, and you've got Eggers the Witch, stuff like that. So I think there are people and Ben Wheatley to a certain extent has done I think there's people there doing stuff and I think there's always room for that kind of low budget, creepy movie. And I think they're always going to come through because, like you said, it's a way in for filmmakers because it is something if you've got a good script and you've got a good idea, it is a cheap movie to make. [00:17:54] Speaker B: Apart from all the corn syrup. [00:17:56] Speaker C: Yeah, I think horror is always going to be a gateway for filmmakers who then come on to do bigger and better things. Because in some ways you could know James Cameron started off with Roger Cormann doing things like Piranha. The Terminator in some ways is still. [00:18:16] Speaker B: I would class, Sci-Fi horror food because. [00:18:18] Speaker C: Of that relentless creature that is coming to get you know, if we think of all the big directors, even Spielberg. [00:18:27] Speaker B: You could say, started off with Jewel and then Jaws. [00:18:31] Speaker C: And so there's somewhere in the kind of makeup of all the great filmmakers, somewhere they start off with the low budget horror esque kind of films and it's a way for people to learn their craft because to make a horror film work, it's like comedy. People poo poo comedy and horror when it comes to awards things, they always think about drama. But it's really difficult to make a horror film or a comedy work from the point of view of script and the direction and the rest of it. So it is really tricky. So if you can do that, you've got a good career ahead of you. [00:19:09] Speaker B: Well, the whole point of both of those franchises about subverting expectations and comedy goes onto the surprised, happy subversion, whereas horror goes into the darker, not happy subversion of expectations. That's kind of the horror films that work the best are the ones which actually don't follow the rules to a certain extent. [00:19:26] Speaker C: I guess that's why as well, that horror and comedy so easily. [00:19:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I've always thought the best comedies are the ones that will sort of upset you a bit as well. My favorite episodes of Futurama, for example, are the ones where with Fry's Dog or Fry's Brother, where there's a real it pulls at your heartstrings, but that just offsets the comedy in a really lovely way. And yeah, horror is same sort of thing. You don't want loads of comedy, but you want just enough that will make you kind of warm to the characters. [00:20:00] Speaker B: Have a pause or have a break. [00:20:02] Speaker A: Yes, that as well. Yeah, break the tension up a bit. [00:20:05] Speaker B: But we've seen quite a few of the franchise we mentioned before, nightmare on Elm Street, Child's Play have gone completely moved to that comedy side of the aspects and still horrific in its content, but in a kind of jokey way to a certain extent. [00:20:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I think with any horror film, so much of the horror comes in how it's made rather than just what it's presenting. So the best horror films and Halloween is a great example of that, but has things like kind of blue lighting and shiarascuro effects, lots of off screen space and that sort of thing is what makes them creepy. And you could have a film where you never see a monster once but use those techniques to give it that kind of spine tingling effect. [00:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, if you think about Alien, which is probably the first proper Sci-Fi horror film, you don't see the Alien for 90% of the movie in that same predator as well until the end, which again, kind of fits in that 80 Sci-Fi horror genre which subgenre that got formed. [00:21:07] Speaker C: But I think one of the prime examples is Robert Wise's Haunting of Hill House, which is one of the creepiest films you can ever watch. Yet you don't see nothing throughout the whole thing. It's all done like you and I think that's why it works so well is because you can bring that back into the real world. It's unlikely you're going to walk into a vampire or a werewolf, but the sense of a shadow or a sense of unease, you can bring that back into your house when you get home and the lights are off, you can think, oh, this is oh, I don't like this. This is a bit weird. So that visceral sense of unease is something that can be easily translated to your own life. [00:21:46] Speaker B: Definitely less is more. It's probably. So I thought I'd take a look at Wikipedia's list of the highest grossing horror films of all time. And there's some here which I think offer debate whether are horror films or not. [00:22:08] Speaker A: Okay. [00:22:09] Speaker B: So I thought it'd be interesting to go for the top 20 and just see what our thoughts are. And we'll go biggest to small, biggest to 20. So number one, it that's definitely a horror film. Definitely a horror film. 2017 version, not the Tim Curry version. [00:22:27] Speaker C: Okay. [00:22:28] Speaker B: Not the TV movie, which was then recut into a film. But yes, the 2017 version doesn't have it. Part two weirdly. [00:22:35] Speaker A: Just it itself that's interesting because usually a sequel financially would do a lot better because people want to see how it finishes. [00:22:44] Speaker B: But worldwide gross $700 million than 702, roughly 2017 release. So not too bad. All right. Number two the 6th sense m night shyamalan. [00:22:58] Speaker A: So it sort of is a horror film. It has ghosts. It relies on the fact that ghosts are inherently creepy, but then also subverts your expectations, like you were saying before, by establishing that ghosts are inherently creepy. But then suddenly, oh, this one wasn't all along. [00:23:26] Speaker C: I'd say it was a chiller but. [00:23:29] Speaker A: Not a horror movie. [00:23:32] Speaker B: So it's an outright horror film as such. [00:23:34] Speaker A: You're not going to get any nightmares from it. [00:23:36] Speaker B: No. Number three, sorry, gross box office. That was $672.8 million 1999. [00:23:45] Speaker A: So that's pretty not bad at all. [00:23:46] Speaker B: 24 years ago, that's more concerning. That's more horrific to me, to be honest. Number three. I am Legend. Starring Wikiwiki Wild Wild West Wilson, 2007 Interesting. [00:24:00] Speaker A: It's not as good as the book. The book is fantastic. I heartily recommend that to I would. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Actually say the original 70s movie, Omega Man is better than I Am Legend. [00:24:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:15] Speaker A: I think where it struggled as a horror film is it wants to be a zombie film, but in the book, they are vampires. And it's almost a kind of precursor to the modern zombie in the book, which came out in the, I want to say 60s, I'm not sure, might be even earlier than that. But the book was essentially the monsters were vampires, but it was trying to rationalize vampires as a scientific possibility. [00:24:43] Speaker B: And the Mega Man sticks a lot closer to the book with it. [00:24:46] Speaker A: So they had a disease that makes them averse to sunlight and need to attack people to stay alive and that sort of thing. So it is the modern zombie film, but it's not zombies. And I think the film struggled to figure out whether it wanted to be a zombie film or stick close to the book. [00:25:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:08] Speaker A: And the ending of the book makes the title make more sense and they completely change it in the film. So it doesn't make any sense at all. [00:25:15] Speaker B: Well, apparently at the time, because I've read into this, they shot two different endings. One was he stayed and the couple escaped. And the other one here was he escaped with the couple. [00:25:30] Speaker A: They'd both be different to the book. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Both different to the book, but one tested better with other audiences. [00:25:36] Speaker C: Of course, I'd say it was more of a creature feature than a horror movie. [00:25:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Okay, moving swiftly on number four world war's dead. So this is from a horror book written by Mel Brookson, I believe. [00:25:50] Speaker C: Max. Yeah. [00:25:53] Speaker B: Would you say it's a horror film or would you say it's a disaster movie? Using zombies as the natural disaster. [00:26:01] Speaker C: Elements of it are kind of scary. Again, it plays into the kind of things that I find creepy, this unrelenting force that just will not stop. So that kind of stuff creeps me out more so than I am legend. I wouldn't have think that didn't creep me out half as much. So again, we were veering into monster movies rather than horror movies. So I think World War Z for me is more of a monster movie because it's got zombies. [00:26:32] Speaker B: It's just zombies, isn't it, really? It's just, oh, look, zombies are taking over. [00:26:38] Speaker A: I haven't actually seen it, to be honest. But the impression I get is, like. [00:26:41] Speaker B: You say, there's a lot of grumbling along. At the time of the book was very much here is an actual proper story, whereas the other one was just Brad Pritt running around, jumping onto helicopters. It was very disappointing. Right, so number five, it's part two, or it's chapter two, as it's called. [00:27:02] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, if first one's a horror movie, then the second one's going to. [00:27:05] Speaker B: Be yeah, I mean, drops down to 473,000,000 after 701,000,000. So quite a lot of people didn't go back for the second time round. [00:27:14] Speaker A: Also changes the ending quite massively from the book, but this time for much better reason. Yes. [00:27:20] Speaker B: What you don't mean is it spoilers giant spider clown thing at the end is not the best way to finish the novel. Yeah, kind of covered that one already. So number six, now, we are the first film outside of the last 25 years. Any guesses? [00:27:41] Speaker C: Well, I would say it's probably going to be something like The Exorcist. [00:27:44] Speaker B: It is the exorcist. $441,000,000 gross back in 1973. So it's in its 50th anniversary year this year. [00:27:54] Speaker C: I'd say of the film so far, this is probably the most horror one. [00:28:00] Speaker A: It's a classic horror film, isn't it? You can't. [00:28:02] Speaker C: Yeah, they kind of set the mold for horror, modern horror, anyway, at least definitely. [00:28:12] Speaker B: And then the next one after that is number seven, Signs, which to me is not a horror film at all. [00:28:19] Speaker C: No, it's an alien invasion movie. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:23] Speaker C: I mean, the horror probably is Mel Gibson in hindsight. [00:28:30] Speaker A: It does do quite a good job of using, I suppose, horror filmmaking conventions to make it feel creepy. Again, you don't really see the aliens that much. And it's the fear of the unknown and the fear of something you can't control. [00:28:46] Speaker B: I think it definitely sits more in the Sci-Fi camp. [00:28:51] Speaker C: It does have some of the horror tropes of some stuff being incredibly stupid, for example, what the weakness of the aliens is. [00:29:02] Speaker B: But still so number eight, the first film in the Alien franchise. Well, it's not alien. That's all I'm going to give you. Any guess. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Prometheus. [00:29:15] Speaker B: It is prometheus. [00:29:16] Speaker C: Really? Yes. [00:29:17] Speaker B: Prometheus is number eight, $403,000,000 at the box office. And again, not a horror film. [00:29:23] Speaker C: No. [00:29:23] Speaker A: Very much a sci-fi. [00:29:25] Speaker C: Long term listeners will already probably know my opinion on this, but it's not horror. It's not great. [00:29:34] Speaker B: It's definitely more in the aliens to aliens Sci-Fi rather than the alien horror element. [00:29:42] Speaker C: Yeah. The most horrific thing is messing about with the whole idea of Alien in. [00:29:48] Speaker B: The first the most horrific thing is running away from a big rolly spaceship and not moving to either the left or the right. [00:29:54] Speaker D: And then. [00:29:57] Speaker C: I can't believe that that has grossed more in the box office than any of the previous Alien films. That's shocking. [00:30:04] Speaker B: So at number nine, it's the first appearing of the conjuring universe. But it's not the conjuring. [00:30:11] Speaker C: I imagine it I would say this is probably going to be one of the Annabelle movies. [00:30:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. [00:30:17] Speaker C: The nun. Really? [00:30:18] Speaker B: The Nun made $365.5 million at the box office. [00:30:22] Speaker C: Damn. People like nuns. [00:30:26] Speaker B: And then number ten quite surprised by this one. Hannibal. [00:30:34] Speaker C: I wouldn't say Hanibal is a horror film. [00:30:37] Speaker B: It's a thriller movie. Yeah, it's definitely a thriller movie. And number eleven, we've discussed about this off air, a Quiet Place, which we agreed is more it's a monster movie, but it's a horror film. [00:30:54] Speaker C: Yeah, it's definitely in the Sci-Fi horror kind of element in terms of stuff. This is the thing is that when you've got horror tropes quite clearly being used in this kind of movie, there are a lot of moments in this movie where you are kind of like thinking, oh, my God, holding your breath. Yeah. [00:31:18] Speaker B: Try not to make any noise in the cinema. It's the quietest experience I've ever been watching. [00:31:24] Speaker A: You immediately hate anyone who makes like a Russell or Crunch or something. [00:31:29] Speaker B: What are you doing? [00:31:30] Speaker C: You're going to get them. I think this is where it plays into the kind of horror idea, is that it is much more intense in an audience situation. [00:31:38] Speaker B: Oh, definitely. [00:31:39] Speaker C: Whereas if you watch it. At home with the kettle going and somebody ringing the doorbell. It is not as scary in any way, shape or form, but if you can pause, then you're right. [00:31:50] Speaker B: That's what I think is the problem with horror at home is if you can pause it and walk away, then you're not having that experience with it. Next two films are going to put them together, which is the Conjuring Two and then the Conjuring. So 320 and $319,000,000 at the box office each. So they made stacks of cash for what is quite cheap films to make, really. [00:32:12] Speaker C: Yeah. I think what you've got, the problem you've got with horror is that you've got subgenres. So these would be paranormal films. So I think you've got horror is a massively nebulous thing under which you can have Sci-Fi, horror, paranormal slasher whatever it is. So I guess, yeah, they class as a horror movie. [00:32:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:34] Speaker B: They all kind of descend from paranormal activity. For me, that was that first jump scary movie, which kind of itself was an evolving of Blair Witch Project. It was just very cheap to make, very quick to do. Next one. Resident Evil the Final Chapter. [00:32:53] Speaker C: Okay. [00:32:54] Speaker B: Now, is this just pure schlock with the Resident Evil name slapped over the top of it? [00:32:59] Speaker C: I can't say I've actually seen this one, so I can't comment. [00:33:03] Speaker A: I'm not sure I have. But after the first Resident Evil, they do slightly blend together. For me, I guess it technically is horror because it's got zombies and gory stuff in. [00:33:15] Speaker C: But I'm surprised it's in the top 20 though. Yeah, I'm thinking of all the other horror movies that I've seen in my life. [00:33:21] Speaker B: Made $312,000,000 at the box office. [00:33:24] Speaker C: That must have been an extremely good marketing campaign. [00:33:27] Speaker B: Yeah. So next one down. Back to the countrying franchise again. They have made so much money out of this franchise. Annabelle creation $306,000,000. [00:33:37] Speaker C: I mean, yeah, dolls are creepy. Especially big dolls that then try and kill you. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Next one, long. And I take great umbrage at this one, van Helsing, the 2000 and horror. [00:33:55] Speaker A: Film that's no more a horror film than the Brendan Fraser Mummy films. [00:33:59] Speaker C: It is basically an adjacent movie to the Mummy films. Yes, it's basically the same guy doing The Mummy, but with Van Helsing it. [00:34:06] Speaker B: Was shocking to me. It was very much a schlocky. [00:34:14] Speaker C: Schlock. [00:34:15] Speaker B: It's classed as an action horror film by Stephen Summers. But yeah, I think they put Kate Beckinsale in. It was like, if you're a fan of the underworld and vampires and werewolves. [00:34:26] Speaker C: Everybody loves Hugh Jackman. [00:34:28] Speaker B: Well, this was at peak of his fame, wasn't it? So this would have been around just after I think it was X Men Two. [00:34:33] Speaker A: Sounds about right. Yeah. [00:34:35] Speaker C: I mean, it was a good hat. He had a good hat in that. [00:34:38] Speaker B: Yeah. So the next one down, resident Evil Afterlife, which was, again, not a horror movie, it's a video game movie with some acture and some kind of I would actually say the first Resident Evil movie I would class as a horror film. It has some great horror elements in it, especially with, like, the corridors. [00:35:01] Speaker C: What they do to Colin Salmon is not nice. [00:35:05] Speaker A: That stuck with me for a while after I first saw that. [00:35:08] Speaker B: But that is a horror film. But then they just descended into gunfu and kind of blasting zombies all around and then yeah, I think the problem. [00:35:15] Speaker C: Is with Resident Evil movies is you say the second half, so Resident Evil, whatever it is. And I'm like, which one's? That one? I can't remember. I can't remember which and if I come to watch them, I like, what's the order? Can we just horror movie makers, can we just go back to the old thing of, like, it's called two or three? And then you put the subtitle on. So it's like Evil Dead Three colony. Evil Dead Two Dead by dawn. Do the number. And then when I come to watch them, I can watch them in the right order. [00:35:44] Speaker A: And just as a supplement to that, working the numbers somewhere into the middle of the subtitle is not a valid compromise. [00:35:55] Speaker B: Hampt Fall Stick is a horror film, but not in a way that they intended. [00:36:00] Speaker A: Expendables cool. [00:36:04] Speaker B: Number 18, a Quiet Place, part Two not Seen. To be honest, I think the first one was a great little encapsulated story. They didn't really need to make the sequel. I think it just made that much money. They were like, yeah, we're doing another one, probably. [00:36:19] Speaker A: Yeah. But it was fun. [00:36:22] Speaker C: It's not quite as tense. No, because you kind of already know the general premise. So the idea of the noise thing isn't as intense anymore. It's a solid enough movie. [00:36:37] Speaker A: It sort of becomes more of a kind of survival movie rather than horror. Because, like you say, you know what to expect from the monsters. [00:36:45] Speaker C: Yeah, it's definitely veering into Tremor's territory type of thing. [00:36:50] Speaker B: Next one along. Split served three M. Night Chamalaya movies in the top 20. And again, Split is a comic book movie. It is not a horror film to a certain extent. [00:37:04] Speaker A: So Split is the one with James McAfee. Yeah. Glass is the one that brings it all together. I'm more comfortable with Split being a horror film than some of the others that we've mentioned because there are personalities of James McEvoy's character that are horror characters. Basically, they're horror tropes. He's filmed in a way that makes it tie in with any other horror films. [00:37:42] Speaker C: I'm now beginning to kind of come to the point of view, thinking of it as like, horror is so massive a genre that you've got levels. So Split is definitely in the horror thing for me. It's more psychological horror, the creepiness of that. So it's not as horror based as something where it's maybe more gory. So like the Evil Dead kind of stuff. Is going to be kind of over here, horror and splits kind of maybe kind of towards the other end. Whereas I'd be more comfortable encountering James McAvoy's character in the real world and not being freaked out beyond all belief against the evil dead side of things, where I'd be like, this is not going to end know? I think for me, horror is the kind of like I get from the bits where I go, I could survive that to the no chance. And the more towards the no chance it is, the more horrified I'm going to be. [00:38:36] Speaker B: Movie number 20. Now this is kind of a bit of a robbery. Snake eating its own tale. Number 20 is Scary Movie. [00:38:49] Speaker A: Oh dear. [00:38:50] Speaker B: Is that a horror film? [00:38:53] Speaker A: No, it's not scary. [00:38:57] Speaker B: It's a comedy horror film. [00:38:59] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a comedy. [00:39:02] Speaker A: It is definitely a comedy. Well, I say definitely. It's definitely intending to play comedy movies. [00:39:07] Speaker B: But definitely 100% comedy. So I would say this one has some elements which make it more horrific. Slightly close to the bone. [00:39:16] Speaker C: Well, I'm just shocked at the idea that this is the 20th highest grossing horror movie in history. [00:39:22] Speaker B: So I'm going to go through I'm going to pick out some from the rest of the top 50 list, which you'd expect to be higher. So Scary Movie made $278,000,000 at the box office, but 22 Halloween, which was Silence of the Lambs, was above that. 26 was US. 27 was Get Out, 28 was The Blair Witch Project, which made less money than Scary Movie, which is weird thing. [00:39:49] Speaker A: The weirdest thing for me is Scary Movie making more money than Scream. [00:39:54] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm surprised that none of the Scream movies are in the top 20 because I remember that being a massive thing. I mean, at least the first one was a huge kind of like people really were all over that as being a return to that kind of Halloween esque scares. [00:40:13] Speaker A: Exactly. That reason Scream Two should be really high up as well because people went. [00:40:17] Speaker C: To see it after screen one and it's been Parodied and memed so many times as well. [00:40:22] Speaker B: Can't actually see it in the list, to be honest. [00:40:26] Speaker A: Is Wikipedia just not counting Scream as a horror film? [00:40:29] Speaker B: That's what I'm thinking. Which is very disturbing if you think about it because they have franchises as a separate list. So it may be in there. We'll come to those in a bit. But other ones. Dark shadows. [00:40:39] Speaker C: The Johnny Depp. Yeah, I mean that's based on a TV show. It's horror adjacent, but it's kind of like that. I mean, Dark Shadows, is it's the Adams family or the monsters? Would you say the Adams family and the monsters were horror movies? [00:40:54] Speaker B: Because at 29 is The Ring, which is the first kind of Japanese horror film, even though this is the American remake, which is actually I mean, to. [00:41:03] Speaker C: Be honest, it's not a bad remake. Yeah, it's kind of okay. [00:41:07] Speaker B: 35, interview with a Vampire. 38, Bram stroker's. Dracula. [00:41:14] Speaker C: I do have to say I do love Bramstroker's Dracula. [00:41:17] Speaker B: It's Gary oldman. Gary Oldman in a popular and it's. [00:41:21] Speaker C: Got my dude Keanu in it as well. So that's kind of cool. [00:41:24] Speaker B: At 41, Sleepy Hollow. 39 was Jaws Two, actually, which is above Jaws. Weirdly Paranormal Activity at 44. 45, Hollow Man, which a great horror Sci-Fi movie. [00:41:36] Speaker C: Yeah. I think the thing you've got with this is this is not a list of the best horror movies. This is just a list of the ones that people were stupid enough to give money to and then realize, no, this is not very good. [00:41:48] Speaker B: 49 and 50 were Alien and Aliens. [00:41:52] Speaker C: Okay. [00:41:54] Speaker B: So if we think about biggest franchises, the Conjuring Universe, of course, then it's Alien, then it's Resident Evil, then it's it then it's the Saw franchise, then Hannibal, Dracula. Not really. Karen. Scream only made $173,000,000 across all six. No, on the first one. [00:42:14] Speaker C: On the first one. Okay. [00:42:15] Speaker B: It's made 913,000,000 across all of them. [00:42:19] Speaker C: Yeah, but yeah. [00:42:21] Speaker B: And Scary Movie was not far behind an $896,000,000 if you count all those together. [00:42:27] Speaker A: I'm glad at least the franchise Scream is better than doing better than franchise. [00:42:32] Speaker B: Scary Movie parallel Activity has made more than the Halloween franchise combined. [00:42:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I think a lot of this as well, though, is it skewed for inflation like a lot of the Halloween films came out. [00:42:43] Speaker C: Yeah, and I think a lot of it as well is the way these films were marketed. They got people into cinemas because of the way they marketed. It worth mentioning as well. [00:42:56] Speaker A: People are going to see things like Paranormal Activity and Scream and the rest of it because of how good Halloween and Friday 13th were. [00:43:06] Speaker B: It's quite surprising. Nightmare. And Elm Street is really far down the list, even behind a quiet place on Gross Box. [00:43:15] Speaker A: Again, I think just purely on box office, I'm not that surprised by that just because of when it came out. [00:43:23] Speaker B: I think there's any big major stuff that you would have expected to be in there which isn't Predator. I expected to be in there kind of say that was a horror Sci-Fi movie. [00:43:34] Speaker A: I'd say Predator is more of a horror film than. [00:43:40] Speaker C: Would have liked. I know it didn't do well when it was released, so I'd have liked the thing to have been up there in there. But this is the problem with a lot of what I would consider my favorite horror movies is they were pretty low budget, small release stuff that I only ever saw on video or TV later on. So I know they're never going to have made massive box office impressions. So I would assume most of the films that I would go to as my when I put my pile of Blu rays and DVDs to watch over Halloween, most of them won't be in the top 20 horror movies. [00:44:19] Speaker B: I was expecting a lot more Stephen King franchise stuff in there, but mostly. [00:44:25] Speaker C: Stephen King stuff is terrible, really. There's not a lot of great adaptations. [00:44:32] Speaker A: Incredibly good or incredibly bad. [00:44:34] Speaker B: Some of the highest rates of recent cemeteries. I thought they might be in there with a shout. I mean, it is in there, of. [00:44:40] Speaker C: Course, but I've always kind of like I've never been a huge fan of The Shining as a horror movie. Not very scary. [00:44:51] Speaker B: Reasonable. [00:44:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:55] Speaker B: Dr. Death, was it not Dr. Death? Dr. Sleep. [00:45:00] Speaker C: I think, actually, I prefer that one to the shining. I have got both and I have shown other people I've shown people who've never watched The Shining. I've shown them The Shining and told them this is supposedly one of the greatest horror films and most people are like, God, that was terrible. [00:45:17] Speaker B: But yeah, I expect a lot more Japanese stuff to be in there. Expected quite a lot. [00:45:21] Speaker C: But again, if we're talking about box. [00:45:22] Speaker B: Office figures US based, yes. [00:45:25] Speaker C: They're just not going to pick that up. I mean, this is the problem with being geeky. We will see things that major audiences won't see. And so we'll always have a frame of reference that will be far broader given the choice. People are going to because it's marketed well, people are going to go and see the Conjurings or the Annabelles or the Nuns because it's prominent and it's easy to find and people are just like, well, that's on. I'll go and see that. [00:45:54] Speaker B: And I suppose the conjuring universe especially has had one of those, oh, you've seen the last five, so you're going to want to go and carry on watching it and see the whole thing come together at the end. [00:46:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:04] Speaker B: Do you think that they'll have, like, the conjuring endgame where, like, the Nun and Annabelle will, like, joy enough, make like a super hit, super monster versus. [00:46:14] Speaker C: Jason, annabelle versus the Nun in space. [00:46:17] Speaker A: Can only be on the horizon. [00:46:24] Speaker B: It's time for our regular feature, one Geek Thing. And Sam, we'll start off with you first. [00:46:31] Speaker A: Okay. Well, in the spirit of the Halloween episode, I realize I'm very, very late to this, but I've recently just finished watching The Haunting of Hill House on Netflix, which is fantastic. It's a very good horror film. Anyway. Well, horror series rather. We were saying before about franchises being a bit kind of shocky and either sort of doing jump scares and violence and stuff just for the sake of it, or the more sort of original ones will try and do something original. I loved Hill House because it's just a good ghost story, essentially. It's not trying to sort of save too much. There is stuff there if you want to read into it, but it's not bashing you over the head with anything. The thing I love most about it, though, is the kind of background ghosts, which I'm sure, again, everyone who's already seen it is probably well aware of this, but for anyone who hasn't, there's obviously the main kind of cast of ghosts who feature in the plot and you kind of get bits and pieces of their backstory told to you by various characters over the course of the series. But then there's also just hidden ghosts in the background that they don't draw any attention to them, but once you know that they're there, you start looking out for them. And I think that's the genius of the series because you spend the whole show desperately peering into every little corner and dark window and everything, trying to see if there's a face there or a hand or something like that. And then when the show finishes and you turn Netflix off and turn around into your house, you're subconsciously still doing it and it's a genuinely creepy thing. You sort of go to bed afterwards and you're there. [00:48:39] Speaker C: That's the genius of that kind of thing. Like I was saying before, it's something you can take back to you. So if you're looking at a wardrobe or something and you're looking at the swirls in the wood and you're going, there's a face there. Yeah, that's where the kind of horror really works, is you can see it or there's the twist of a shadow and you just go, did that move? Is that something this is going to. [00:48:58] Speaker B: Sound really bad now, but it makes it sound like this is just a Halloween version of Where's Wally? He's got the bubble hat on. [00:49:07] Speaker C: I'm not sure whether he continued it into the kind of the series that follows because it's the haunting of Blythe House, which I kind of liked, apart from the fact that it was like this man has never quite clearly never been to England. Because basically every scene that's set outside of this Blythe House in England, the soundtrack is Cicadas going and you just go, england is not like this. It does not sound know part of America. So I don't know if they did it in that, and I don't know if they did it in the midnight Mass, which I think was the next one. And then I can't remember what the one in between was because we've just come to the Fall of a House of Usher. So this is the last one that he does before he moves to I think he's moving to Amazon in terms of that. So the Fall of the House of Usher one is basically all the episodes are named after Edgar Allan Post stories, but I haven't looked up to see if I'll feel like I've missed out if he's been doing it in the previous series since I've not looked. [00:50:08] Speaker A: I'm basing this purely on the fact that I Googled the ghosts that you may have missed in Hill House afterwards, and I think I remember seeing some similar sorts of articles for the Blythe Manor one. I don't know about the rest of them. [00:50:24] Speaker C: I need to look those up because. [00:50:25] Speaker B: I always thought the whole point of a ghost was it was attached to the place that it died. So how would that work if they're, like, moving to a different house? Like from Blythe house to different ghosts. [00:50:38] Speaker A: I was going to say yeah, it's. [00:50:41] Speaker C: More the repertory of actors that he uses. So he tends to use the it's. Mike Flanagan, I believe, is the creator of the shows, so he uses the same repertoire of actors. So in Fall of the House of Usher, he's brought Mark Hamill in, which sounds quite good. I haven't watched that one yet, so I'm a bit behind myself. But Halloween's coming up, so I've got. [00:51:06] Speaker B: Again, House of Usher just makes me think of a certain rapper from the. [00:51:16] Speaker A: Wandering through the house. And then just in the background you hear yeah. [00:51:25] Speaker B: The Ryan Murphy series where he's just like so it's like American Horror Story. But he's also done like the House of Gucci. Not the House of Gucci. Was it Donatella Versace? Did. The House of Versace, was it? [00:51:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds about right. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So this just sounds like this is like a blend over that he's making his own kind of alternative one with like rapping ghosts in this house of. [00:51:50] Speaker C: I think I've seen that movie. [00:51:52] Speaker B: Maybe Tupac will pop up at it. [00:51:53] Speaker C: We don't know. [00:51:54] Speaker A: I'm looking forward to House of Snoop Dogg. [00:51:59] Speaker B: That would be a great one. Because you would not know how, if it was just Snoop Dogg being high or if it was actually happening, they. [00:52:06] Speaker A: Walk into the house and there's lots of atmospheric mist floating around. [00:52:09] Speaker C: I'm not sure. I may be Mandela ring affecting this, but I'm sure there's been a rise of kid friendly scare movies over the. [00:52:19] Speaker B: Past few Disney's just in the Haunted Mansion movie. [00:52:23] Speaker C: The Haunted Mansion movie, which looks more scary than the Eddie Murphy Haunted Mansion. Sorry. He was one with the dude from Stranger Things. [00:52:32] Speaker D: It was the sheriff, I can't remember. And he plays a ghost in a house who can't talk. And I'm fairly convinced that Snoop Dogg turns up as a dog as a ghost, in that I might be wrong or he's in the Muppet Haunted Mansion. But I'm fairly certain somewhere in his career Snoop has been a ghost in something. [00:52:49] Speaker A: He was in a vampire film on Netflix. I want to say I'm just convinced. [00:52:56] Speaker D: Somewhere that he's done this in the past. I mean, he's done pretty much everything else. [00:53:00] Speaker B: Yeah, just walk through that's dope. So haunted on Hill House. Would you recommend it on Netflix? [00:53:10] Speaker A: Very much. [00:53:11] Speaker B: The rest of the other ones, I. [00:53:13] Speaker A: Still need to see the rest of it, but I'm definitely going to be watching them over Halloween. [00:53:19] Speaker B: Keith, am I going to guess this is about an ensemble cast of ghosts in a house somewhere, but on BBC, not Netflix? [00:53:25] Speaker D: No, strangely enough not because I've mentioned this recently already, but I'm going to go for something else which has had a longstanding history in my life that I don't think enough people have seen. Because it originally started out on Virgin as an on demand show. It had been on an American channel somewhere else, but it was on Virgin. So you couldn't watch it on a regular channel service. You could only watch it on the Virgin on Demand. Then it disappeared for ages and has recently, in the last few years, turned up on Netflix. I still think it's one of the best horror TV shows that I've seen in years. And of course it is ash versus Evil Dead. Prince of Three Seasons brings back Bruce Campbell as Ash Williams, who for me is, you know, beyond the Nephrocronomicon, beyond the Deadites. If it's not got Ash Williams in, it's not the Evil Dead. He's so quintessential to that series. And this kind of continues his story of being the not know Ash Williams. Just he's had enough. I do not want to have anything. [00:54:28] Speaker A: To do with this. [00:54:29] Speaker D: Do not bring this book near me. Do not bring Deadites near me. I've not had anything to do with it. And it's a series that works brilliantly, reintroduces newer characters who are phenomenal. They have their own arcs. Lucy Lawless turns up in it as a dead eye advocate. And it also features which I will not spoil the greatest bit of casting I've ever seen in my life outside of a Marvel movie. And if you are a person of a certain age, you will definitely appreciate the actor they cast as Ash Williams's. Dad. I won't spoil it. You need to see it in the show. I didn't know that this was going to happen when I watched it. And I went, that is the greatest bit of casting I have ever seen in my life. [00:55:08] Speaker C: If you see it and you know. [00:55:09] Speaker D: Who it is, it's wonderful and it's funny. It's full of blood. It's gory, it's quite creepy in parts. You kind of go, Mike, this is kind of scary. It's end of the world apocalyptic stuff and unfortunately ends with the third series with Ash propelled into a post apocalyptic future that promised so much in a fourth series with him basically driving around as Mad Max in a dead eye infested zombie apocalypse world, which where we currently are in history, doesn't seem that improbable. But it's brilliant and I loved it. And I loved it that it continued the mythos of the original Evil Dead series and just played to its strengths, knew exactly what it was and did it brilliantly. And I don't think enough people have. [00:56:02] Speaker B: Seen I think it was on something like Stars Network in the States. [00:56:06] Speaker D: It was some random network. [00:56:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:08] Speaker D: And it disappeared for a while in the UK. But I think it's currently on Netflix at the moment. So if you have time, it's three seasons I think they're kind of ten. [00:56:17] Speaker B: To 13 episodes, half seasons for an American, kind of. [00:56:21] Speaker D: But you could squeeze them in before Halloween and they're definitely worth it. There is gallons and gallons of blood in this and they do luxuriate in covering their actors in as much blood as possible. But it's a great series, fits completely within the first three Evil Dead movies and is much more for me, a continuation of that franchise than the Reboot or The Evil Dead rise so wholeheartedly. Recommend Ash versus Evil Dead. [00:56:55] Speaker B: So would you class Buba hotep as part of the Evil Dead fractures? [00:57:02] Speaker D: No, but that film is completely unavailable in the UK anyway. And that is a crime against great movies because Ozzy Davies and Bruce Campbell play brilliantly in that film. And the fact that you can't stream it or buy it on any service at the moment is just shocking. I mean, luckily I've got it on an imported American DVD. But yeah, any channel out there that should be used to be ashamed of yourself if you've not got Bubba Hotep on because that's also brilliant. But again, Bruce Campbell. Bruce Campbell. So what about you, Ryan? What's your horrifically one geek thing. [00:57:40] Speaker B: So I'm going to go back to a movie which I've been trying to convince Keith for years is a horror movie, which is 1979 Disney movie The Black Hole, which has very many great horror elements. First, it's got Anthony Perkins in it, who is Psycho, one of the greatest horror films which thriller horror films, I would say psychological horror films. It has a cast of zombies wandering around. It has the wonderful Maximilian Shell, who is the best kind of horror villain of just camping around in his giant gothic cathedral spaceship. [00:58:19] Speaker D: He's a mad scientist. [00:58:20] Speaker B: He's a mad scientist. Which again, back to classic horror, Frankenstein. We have Maximilian the killer robot, which is unstoppable, which again, many horror tropes in that one. And we have our small cast of humans wandering around this gothic spaceship trying to escape. It's a horror film just because it's got Disney on it. [00:58:42] Speaker D: No, I mean, I won't disagree with you that it is scary and it has got nice visuals. The Maximilian on top of the thing with the red background very well. [00:58:55] Speaker B: When it ends in literal hell at the end of the film, there could be any more horrific thing than being trapped inside a horrible robot in Maximilian Shells outcome in the series. [00:59:05] Speaker D: It's a great movie. There's a bit of wooden acting in it that kind of lets it down a little bit. But again, that's part of the joy of a horror movie that not everybody's up to the standards they should. [00:59:17] Speaker B: But the reason I was reminded of this film is because prop store, if you don't know, auction house in London, they sell a lot of movie memorabilia and merchandise. They've currently got a Sci-Fi and fantasy sale going on at the moment, I think Anthony Daniels is offloading his entire C three PO collection. So I think you can buy one of C Three po's original heads. There's loads of Star Wars stuff. I was looking through this earlier, there's a couple of Battlestar Galactica test pilot models in there. There's Batman cowls, et cetera. There's the light up clock from Back to the Future part three from the car. So lots and lots of props if you want them. But the reason I was reminder of it, because they are selling three lots from the black hole. The first one is Vincent, who is the filming miniature at that one. That one is currently valued at $30,000 to $60,000 and the starting bid of 15,000. Next one is Bob, who's the maintenance robot voiced by Slim Pickens, I believe. [01:00:22] Speaker C: Now you've got me. [01:00:23] Speaker D: I know who Vincent's voice is. Yeah, but I can't remember who does Bob that's upfield shop. [01:00:32] Speaker B: We'll put it on the screen now. Yeah, but yet another filming miniature. So you can buy Bob. He's also 30 to 60,000 pounds with a slightly bit of 15,000 pounds. But the one that I would really like is a Mackette of Maximilian. And this one's slightly more reasonable. It only starts at 10,000 pounds value between ten to 20,000 pounds, starting at 5000. I think if we all put together the group, we could buy a Maximilian mackette and replace our Maximilian figure repair with the actual Mackette from the film. [01:01:03] Speaker D: I mean, I also love John Barry's score. Amazing score, pretty awesome. [01:01:08] Speaker B: And I think he got reused quite a lot. That scoring other stuff afterwards a couple of times. [01:01:13] Speaker D: But yeah, it's a great but yeah. [01:01:17] Speaker B: I keep looking at it, I'm like, can I justify 10,000 pounds on a Mackette robot in the corner of the room? You could also buy Captain Blue super Marination puppet head for 4000 pounds. That's actually got one bid on it at the moment. Yeah. Some of the stuff I've been looking at in this auction, it is crazy priced. So if I find the highest value item 2 seconds. Highest value item is currently Star Wars A New Hope. 1977 Anthony Daniels collection screen match light up C Three PO head. So the estimate is half a million to 1 million pounds. The starting bid is quarter of a million pounds. How much do you think the first bid has gone in? [01:02:15] Speaker D: Is somebody low ball in it or is it 400,000? [01:02:20] Speaker B: Close. Sam, you want to have a guess? [01:02:22] Speaker A: 500,000. [01:02:24] Speaker B: 450,000. That's the most expensive item there. But yeah, a C, three PO head, probably. Signed by Anthony Daniels, I assume. [01:02:35] Speaker D: I would definitely get my ass kicked if I bought a half a million pound C three. [01:02:40] Speaker B: But coming full circle, the lowest value item is a trailer reel from Freddie versus Jason. 2000 and 350 p. Starting bid is between 50. Sorry, estimates between 51 hundred pounds. The starting bid is 25 pounds. It has. Received one bid. Where do we think it is? [01:03:06] Speaker D: Where's the bid come from? [01:03:11] Speaker B: It's currently got an absentee bid for 50 pounds. So if you wanted to buy yourself Freddie versus Jason 2003 Mario Kerner collection, Trader Reel, spend more than 50 pounds and you can have that in your collection. [01:03:27] Speaker D: What are you going to do with it? [01:03:31] Speaker B: It's a Trader Reel, so you need to have a 35 mil projector. [01:03:35] Speaker D: Put it on. You're talking about the black holder. Have they not got the spaceships? They've not got the spaceship, the Palomino and the goodness, because that cathedral in. [01:03:45] Speaker B: Space spaceship is absolutely beautiful. Yeah, I'm assuming they trashed it when they put that hot marble through it, but, yeah, there's quite a lot of stuff on there, some quite reasonable stuff. So if you wanted an autographed DVD of Lord of the Rings from 1978, signed by Anthony Daniels, that's currently 100 pounds. If I wanted to get the original Rotoscoped version. [01:04:11] Speaker D: I want my spaceships. I'd want, like, an Enterprise or an X Wing or a Viper or something. I kind of want one of those rather than anything else. I don't think I'm that interested in something that's had Anthony Daniels hot crotch in it. I mean, I imagine there's a market for it, but, yeah, I don't think I can put it on display. [01:04:30] Speaker B: Anyway, last item, talking of horror, we'll finish off on this one. Nightmare in Elm Street. Nightmare in Elm Street. Two. Freddie's Revenge. Freddy Krueger screen matched glove. [01:04:45] Speaker D: When you say screen matched glove, that doesn't sound like it's. [01:04:49] Speaker B: Screen used screen match usually means that they've compared it to what it looks like on camera. And it is confirmed to be that this is an authentic article, not a reefer, basically. [01:05:01] Speaker D: I mean, you'd be all right for slicing up your onions and stuff. [01:05:04] Speaker B: Yeah. What estimate do we think on this one? [01:05:08] Speaker D: For the glove? [01:05:09] Speaker B: For the glove? Just Freddie Canoe's glove, no rest of the costume. [01:05:13] Speaker D: I reckon you got to be in the 125 area at least, I would say. [01:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe more like 200,000, estimated at. [01:05:22] Speaker B: 200 to 400,000 pounds. And it has got one bid on it at the moment, which is its starting bid of 100,000 pounds. [01:05:28] Speaker A: I mean, if you're going to buy some memorabilia from Nightmare on Elm Street, you want neglect or the jumper. [01:05:37] Speaker B: And one more thing just for you, Keith. Aliens light up. Remote controlled photo match, 112 scale APC miniature model. Starting bid on that one is 150,000 pounds. [01:05:47] Speaker D: You said remote controlled. [01:05:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:49] Speaker D: So you could drive this around? Oh, yeah, I'll go for that. [01:05:52] Speaker B: 150 grand. [01:05:55] Speaker C: Okay. [01:05:57] Speaker B: Indiana Jones ball whip. 50 grand. [01:05:59] Speaker D: That's like a check. [01:06:02] Speaker B: Right, I'm going to stop because we can this game for days. Thanks for joining us on the Geeky Rubber show this issue, keith, where can we find you online? [01:06:10] Speaker D: You can find me on X Lee Twitter at Hardlock Underscore Hotel and then pretty much everywhere else as Hardlock Hotel, but particularly, go and find me on Blue Sky now, because that's kind of like Twitter, like it used to be. So definitely find me over there. But if you just Google Hardlock Hotel, and it's not anything to do with Camp Docula, it's probably me. [01:06:32] Speaker B: Sam, how about yourself? [01:06:33] Speaker A: You can find me on Twitter at Dragonsam 89. I'm not calling it X still. And on Instagram at SD. Edwards 89. [01:06:46] Speaker B: Yes, the in shitification continues at Twitter. You can find me at Ramparrish, on Twitter and Blue Sky, and you can find us all at Geeky. Brimmy on Twitter. Instagram facebook. Got to get the Blue Sky set up, but YouTube or your podcasting service of choice, which is why you're either watching or hearing this. 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