Star Wars Acolyte | Beverly Hills Cop Axel F | The Fall Guy | Trailer Talk

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to the Geebrum podcast. Joining me today, Miss Keith Bloomfield, Mister Lee Price, Mister Sam Edwards. How have we all been? It's been a while since being in the studio last time we were out and about at Animecon. [00:00:14] Speaker B: Indeed. Yeah, it's a bit smaller here. [00:00:18] Speaker A: Yes, definitely slightly quieter. [00:00:20] Speaker B: Bit quieter. Yeah. Don't get as many steps in. [00:00:23] Speaker A: No, I think my legs still haven't recovered for a bit. It was really good fun. Did screenings, did a podcast episode. If you've not watched it, link will be in the description for the previous episode. But yes, today we are talking about celebration, which was another event that we did with the wonderful Stacey from Stacey's pop culture parlor and the Mockingbird, where we hosted the season one of TMNT, the Cartoon and the first TMnt movie. Not the Michael Bay ones, the proper movies. We'll be talking about some trailers. So Bando Stone and the new world, Gladiator, two time bandits f one and Captain Brave New World. We will be doing short reviews of the acolyte, Beverly Hills Cop, Axel F and Fall Guy, and Keith is bringing back an old loved feature, which we'll talk about, plus of course, the one geek thing. But we will be back shortly. So at the end of last month, we partnered up with the wonderful stacy from Stacy's pop culture parlor and the Mockingbird to do a little special mini event at the Mockingbird cinema. And it was on Sunday and it was to show the first five episodes of TMNT season one. Then it was pizza and a quiz, which I didn't get to experience because I seem keeping myself neutral. And then we showed the original TMNT 1991 movie. Is it 1991? Wow. So as somebody who got to watch the event and participate in the quiz, what was the experience like? [00:02:13] Speaker B: It was really good, actually. It was quite. I was quite surprised. I was not looking forward to the cartoon as I don't have particularly fond memories of TMHT as it was when it was first screened. It was all right. It kind of dragged on for a bit, the cartoon. And you just go, oh my God. Thankfully it was a very short season. [00:02:31] Speaker A: Yes. [00:02:32] Speaker B: Only what, five episodes? [00:02:33] Speaker A: Five episodes. [00:02:34] Speaker B: So it wasn't. I mean, it was okay. It was pretty good to see it on a big screen. And the quiz was. I didn't do brilliantly. It was. It was fine. I mean, there was stuff that, you know, apart from the comics, I'm not that big. I mean, I don't know, literally nothing about the cartoon, nothing about the Michael Bay movies, because I've not seen either one of them. And so, yeah, so I did okay. I didn't come last, which was good. Yeah. But I thought it was a bit of a swizz that the person who actually won it was basically a turtle. So I was thinking that seems a bit dubious that actually a turtle, a hero turtle, actually won the whole. Yeah. Ninja Turtle. [00:03:18] Speaker A: It was a chap who basically turned up in a full Michelangelo costume. He really been sweating to death in that costume. [00:03:24] Speaker B: It was quite warm. Yeah. But I enjoyed seeing the film again. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Be glad we didn't show season three of the cartoon, by the way, which. 47 episodes. [00:03:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm glad we didn't do that one. That would have been a long day. It was nice to see the film again. And the pizzas are very nice from the baked in brick baked. Yeah, it was really good. You did an excellent job distributing them. Thank you. Which was cool. So, yeah, so the pizza was nice. [00:03:48] Speaker A: It was good. [00:03:49] Speaker B: I mean, it felt wrong not eating it in a sewer. So I don't know if maybe next time. [00:03:55] Speaker C: I think the mockingbird is a bit better than a sewer. [00:03:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it's the authenticity. [00:04:01] Speaker C: Mockingbird better than a sewer. [00:04:07] Speaker B: That's the quote for that. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. It was a good crowd as well. Everybody was there, kind of. Totally. And it was nice because there were younger people. [00:04:15] Speaker A: Yes. [00:04:16] Speaker B: So some, clearly fans of the original, who now are parents of their own, had brought their kids along and stuff, and they all seemed to enjoy it, which was really cool. [00:04:25] Speaker A: There was one kid with the most amazing outfit, which was full turtles top to bottom, wearing a turtles baseball cap, turtles hoodie, turtles trousers. And it was turtles trainers as well, wasn't it? [00:04:36] Speaker D: Wow. [00:04:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And Stacey did a brilliant job as host as well, which was quite good. She seemed to think that it was not going to be great. And he was like, well, obviously it's going to be great. It's turtles and it's Stacy's pop culture partner. You know, it's obviously going to be good. So, yeah, it was a great. I had a great whole afternoon. Really. [00:04:56] Speaker A: It was pretty much from. Well, I was there from about midday, but it was pretty much from five. [00:05:01] Speaker B: Till 10:00 yeah, just a little bit longer, I think. Which was good. [00:05:05] Speaker A: Yes. I must apologize to my friend Ben, who got his car locked in the car park because we left too late and they'd already closed the doors when they got there, so we had to go and pick a car up the next day. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I think we should do it more, you know, hopefully Stacey will do another one for secret of the ooze. [00:05:23] Speaker A: Well, there are some oozed based conversations going on in the background. [00:05:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I think we should do it. I think we should be. [00:05:28] Speaker C: But what about the second Turtles movie? You're just having conversations about ooze. [00:05:34] Speaker A: Yeah, just ooze in general. We're thinking, is it Ghostbusters plus tmnt two? Because they were both films around horrible stuff in the sewers. [00:05:43] Speaker B: Mmm, yeah, maybe. [00:05:46] Speaker C: No, I think you should just do season three of the cartoon all the way. [00:05:51] Speaker A: Two day event, like 40 hours, I think because it's so weird with the cartoon because it did five episodes, 13 episodes, 47 episodes, 41 episodes, 20, 1627. And the final three scenes were eight episodes each. So who commissioned, who just decided that running order slate will have one season, which is pretty much the entire length of the rest of the. [00:06:12] Speaker C: It was the nineties. There were no rules. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Well, the cartoon actually started in 87, so turtles. It was the 40th anniversary, which why we're doing it. That was the 40th, 3rd, 40th anniversary of the original Eastman led cartoon release in the comics. Cartoon comic release. And then. Yeah, it's quite weird because it was a really dark and gritty comic to start off with. And it was quite, well, black and white, but it was quite bloody and it was quite adult themed. [00:06:39] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:06:40] Speaker B: I mean, it was basically an underground comic to begin with. It was like, it wasn't a major publisher that was putting it out. So it was kind of, you know, it was just based on what they enjoyed. It was kind of like ninjas and murder and stuff. So with a twist. But it kick started a whole plethora of animal related series that just followed on afterwards. [00:07:03] Speaker A: Biker Motor Mars was probably the most famous other example. [00:07:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Samurai pizza cats. [00:07:09] Speaker B: Yeah. But I do love street sharks. I do love a good anthropomorphic based story. So I kind of like that kind of stuff. So it's all good. [00:07:20] Speaker A: Yeah. But I think went well. I think pretty much sold out. It was a good crowd. Pretty nice people. Good shout out to OG custom tees on Instagram gave us the price to add to the collection of random 1990s turtle paraphernalia we had collected over the last few months. [00:07:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And if you, if you're not really ofay with the turtles, you can just follow Stacey's heroes in a half shell podcast that she does as well, which is just turtles related stuff. If you're not listening to the, the. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Parlor covers all eras of turtles, I think, right from the original car through to now. [00:07:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:53] Speaker C: And if you want to know what Keith is on about in regards to the hero Turtles thing, I have a video on my YouTube channel which very briefly mentions it, as well as part of a discussion on video game censorship. But it's related. [00:08:04] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:08:05] Speaker A: Yes. Basically in the eighties, we weren't allowed. [00:08:08] Speaker C: To fun things in the UK, pretty much specifically ninjas. [00:08:14] Speaker D: Cool. [00:08:18] Speaker A: So it's been a while since we've done some reviews on the show, so I thought we'd do a bit of a round off of stuff that has been on big screen and little screen. Let's start off with the fall guy, which I haven't seen, but I want you guys to try and sell it to me. So I believe it's a reimagining of the original seventies, eighties tv series starring Ryan Gosling, Emily Bluntley. It didn't do great at the box office and I think it was kind of. It didn't perform as well as hoped and it was kind of a launching off for a new franchise, but it. [00:08:52] Speaker D: Didn'T do as well as hoped. But I think that's more because of the box office generally. I think there's a lot of films that came out around the same time, including Dune Two and Furiosa, that have also really underperformed. I don't think it was deserved at all. In the case of Fall Guy, I thought that was an excellent, perfect cinema popcorn blockbuster. Yeah. Really thoroughly enjoyed it and I can't recommend it enough because that's kind of. [00:09:27] Speaker A: What the cinema has been missing for a while, is just something a bit more low stakes and just apocalypt movie. Yeah. Keith, what were your thoughts on it? [00:09:36] Speaker B: I thought it was great. It was. I mean, it has absolutely nothing apart from the name of the characters and the. So a studio that was thinking, maybe this is an IP that's going to capture the hearts and souls of the nation, because they could have called it, they could have just called it stuntman and it would have been exactly the same movie. [00:09:55] Speaker C: This is the thing, like, I saw a whole discussion online about it being an IP and I was like, it's what? Like, this is a thing that already existed. And then like, I was like, oh, it's a tv show from what, the seventies or something? [00:10:06] Speaker B: It was kind of the eighties, late eighties, because it was. It was post kind of the night rider stuff. So it's kind of much later on. [00:10:13] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, yeah, maybe that's why it didn't do too well. If you're banking on the IP and it's something that a lot of people probably haven't heard of. [00:10:21] Speaker D: I didn't. I. No familiarity with the tv show didn't feel like I'd lost out on anything. I think there were a couple of cameos, maybe for kind of like a. [00:10:32] Speaker B: Not a post credit scene, but there's a sequence where two of the actors from the original tv series, including one of the greatest action actors of all time, Lee majors, who was the original cult sievers in the tv show, came up. But yeah, so there was no premise. The premise wasn't, there's nothing relating it back to the show. So there wasn't in the original tv show, cultivars is actually like a bounty hunter. And so it's all kind of like the pratfalls of like, you know, how he can get away with doing various things using his fall guy skills. Whereas this, I think they should have just called it stuntman or stuntmen deserve oscars or something like that, because basically is just a massive message to Hollywood to go look at what we can do. And you should recognize how much stuff that stuntmen do because he was kind of like a behind the scenes look at what goes into creating stunts in film. So you got that kind of behind the scenes look as well. I thought it was quite nice that it kind of took a bit of a dig at current Hollywood as well, with its kind of like, you know, ridiculous actors and directors that don't really know what they're doing and stuff. So it was kind of cool, but I enjoyed it immensely. It was just fun. And Ryan Gosling has taken a swing into, oh, actually, I quite like you now, where he's not taking himself too seriously. [00:11:48] Speaker A: He films in a row where Keith. [00:11:49] Speaker B: Liked for a Gosling with Blade Runner 2049. But I thought it was great. I mean, hugely entertaining, you know, lots of fun, lots of physical effects stunts. And it was kind of, again, same as the film we're going to talk about in a minute, a throwback to that era when it was like, let's just have fun. Let's like every film hasn't got to be about the end of the world and like, you know, everybody's moribund or whatever it is. It's actually, let's just have, we're going to the cinema to get out of the sense of everything in the real world is horrible and awful and we just want to get entertained for 2 hours and forget about it and come out with a smile on your face and a spring in your step and think, actually, I really enjoyed that. And it was a good, fun movie. [00:12:34] Speaker C: I mean, it's a real shame that it hasn't done well because it means we're not going to get the sequel. Fall Guys, in which Ryan Gosling plays a game in a knockout. It's a knockout type competition. [00:12:43] Speaker B: It's kind of me imagine it's like a crossover with Tron and he gets zoomed into a game of fall guys. Yeah. Hollywood, if you're listening. There you go. It's crossover between the game and the. [00:12:55] Speaker A: Tv show, but it is a thing, it's a known phrase now. Apparently ip jacking is where you take an old ip, repurpose it entirely, but use that to get your foot in the door, basically to get production rolling again. [00:13:09] Speaker B: It wasn't a big enough show. I mean, it was pretty big when it was around, but it's not something that people remember. [00:13:14] Speaker C: Yeah, it's not really stood the test of time. [00:13:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not like the $6 million man or something. [00:13:19] Speaker A: Well, I'm thinking, are they going to look at rebooting other franchises such as $6 million? Mandy, I know they did this tv series which didn't do too great with the bionic woman reboots with her from EastEnders, who I can remember her name, but. Yeah. Are they going to start bringing back other 80 shows like Dallas, the reboot? [00:13:36] Speaker B: Yeah, as long as it's kind of got nothing to do with the original or the Waltons. I actually quite looking forward to the Waltons where actually the Waltons are actually a family of hitmen or something, which would be kind of cool. [00:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah. The Sintra moved on to reboot in 2000 stuff. So, for example, the many saints of Newark with Sopranos, and now they're doing a tv series off the back of the many saints of Newark starring James Gandolfino's son, playing him in the prequel of Sopranos. [00:14:04] Speaker B: Yeah. There's another thing about the fall guy that I loved, and I just. I do need to bring it up, is that the film, the fake film that they're filming in the film is kind of. There's. There's a sequence where you hear the music from it which references a composer whose name I forget. He's not very good, but I thought this is better than the actual music that he does. And this, I kind of thought this is much better. I like this. I would rather watch that also. [00:14:31] Speaker A: Jamstrom, is it? [00:14:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And also the fact that he was referring to another film, another director that's been out on Netflix, which isn't very good, and going, I'd kind of want to see this, rather than this other film that's initials are RM. And I thought your fake film looks better than the real film that got made. [00:14:47] Speaker A: But I think it's nice that stuntmen are finally getting some recognition in Hollywood. I know they've had their own awards for years, but it's kind of John Wick and everything like that, and Gianni Reeds reading, really pushing for stuntmen. And you get stuff like corridor crew. I think they do like the Stuntman react series, which was massive over lockdown. I think a lot of people are really appreciating seeing behind the scenes. So I think probably, as you said, it's a good way to get into watching some of how Hollywood actually works nowadays. [00:15:11] Speaker D: Yeah, I think as a tribute to stunt performers, it was a brilliant film. Like you say, it's almost had sort of the first act was showing you how they do the stunts, and then the second act was, this is the film with all these stunts in now, you know how they're done. And then the bit over the trailers where they. Where you sort of see them actually kind of doing the work to perform the stunts that were in the film, that weren't them shooting stunts in the film, if that makes sense. [00:15:39] Speaker B: Yeah, they do kind of behind the scenes look in the credits so you can see how actually they were. They were done with kind of all the wire work and all the rest of it, and drivers sitting above. You know, the mechanics of stunts in modern films are just incredible, really. [00:15:55] Speaker A: It's good stuff, and I think everybody thinks it's just CGI now and AIDS, but it's great to see that it's still practically being done, which moves us onto our next film, which is a massive eighties throwback, which is Beverly Hills cop Axel F. So the fourth Beverly Hill Scott movie. Yes, we still count the third one, Keith. You can't erase it from everybody's memory, but this one harks back to Beverly Hill Scott one and two. Eddie Murphy's back, pretty much the entire cast from season one. Paul Rice is back playing a grizzled detective chief now of Detroit police, which is a complete flip to his original character. But, yeah, I mean, what did we think of Beverly Hills Cobb? [00:16:34] Speaker B: You two haven't seen it yet, have you? [00:16:35] Speaker D: No. [00:16:36] Speaker B: Again, same as fall guy. It's like, yeah, this is a fun, entertaining. I'm a bit gutted that it didn't get a cinema release. I can see why studios maybe haven't put it out of the cinema because of the fact that the box office hasn't really been set on fire by anything this year apart from inside out. [00:16:53] Speaker A: Is it more of a case that Eddie Murphy's star power has waned that much, that people won't trust him with the cinema release because we had Dolemite. My name is Dolomite, and that was a Netflix release. So is that where he's more comfortable? [00:17:08] Speaker B: I think Beverly Hills cop as a concept would have been enough to kind of get people back. And it is, again, another kind of throwback to that simpler times, eighties, you know, the soundtrack is just a complete. Well, it's just. [00:17:25] Speaker A: Replayed in many different. [00:17:26] Speaker B: Variations, but even the songs and stuff that they had in the original film and thing and stuff, you know, they introduced some new characters, kind of like, Axel has a daughter that we don't have, didn't know about previously. And there's a bit of kind of like family drama and everything. Yeah, but he acknowledges the fact that he's older and everybody else is older. And I kind of like the fact that, you know, there were things that he just couldn't do anymore and all the rest of it. And Judge Reinhold as Billy was like, you know, there was like lots of throwbacks to similar scenes in the original film, but with that Adi judge, it was like, yeah, we're much older now. [00:18:00] Speaker A: But I quite like that they gave pretty much all the stunty stuff to Joseph Gordon Levitt, who plays like an up and coming detective, and he partners up with Axel at some point in the movie. And it's kind of nice that there's somebody else that they could kind of hand that torch to. And I wouldn't mind seeing JGL doing a continuation of the series with Beverly Hills cop. Maybe there's a possibility there. [00:18:23] Speaker B: No, I think Beverly Hills cop is Axolf. You know, it's. I think if that's it, if you're going to do something else, it's not Beverly Hills cop, it's whatever. But I kind of liked it. At least he was a competent cop as well. [00:18:35] Speaker A: I was more shocked that John Ashton was 35 in the first film because he. That man looks older than he is in this film. [00:18:43] Speaker B: But again, it was just a purely entertaining, you know, couple of hours and slow stakes. [00:18:49] Speaker A: You don't have to be saving the world in every film. I think that's part of the fun of it. It was just purely Beverly Hills. Take some gangsters on some corrupt people. [00:19:01] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah. [00:19:02] Speaker A: What do you think about Kevin Bacon being added to the cast? [00:19:06] Speaker B: Kind of cool. You know, he's doing his thing at the moment where he's kind of doing his. I'm just the villain in everything now, so he's good value for money. Again, it keeps that kind of tradition of a fairly famous person being the kind of crook in the Beverly Hills series. And again, lots of physical stunt work. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Car crashes, some fantastic set pieces. [00:19:32] Speaker B: There's nothing like a multi police car pile up to kind of entertain the crowd, really, where, you know, incompetent cops and cars crash into each other. [00:19:40] Speaker A: It did feel like a reimagining of the first two movies to a certain extent, because it was just beat for beat. This is where we have an action scene, then we'll have some dialogue and plot, then there'll be, then there'll be a bit of Eddie Murphy comedy, then there'll be another action and we'll bring. [00:19:53] Speaker B: Back surge for sequences. That actually quite, works quite well, actually. I thought Serge did quite a good. His introduction in this film actually worked quite well, although that character is just. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Chaos embodied as well. [00:20:07] Speaker B: You wouldn't be able to write that character now. No, but again, it was. There were lots, you know, even the kind of reference to the fact that the third film isn't that great within the context of the film, because they go, oh, Axel, let's have a look at your records of when you've been to Beverly Hills. Oh, your first two times or your third one. That wasn't your finest hour, which I thought was hilarious that they kind of referenced it. [00:20:27] Speaker A: But this has been in development hell since about 94, 95. So it's 30 years to get this film made and out. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:34] Speaker A: And I think they've done a fairly decent job. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I enjoyed. I enjoyed it. You know, I watched it kind of pretty much after it came out. [00:20:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:43] Speaker B: Had a great time. Couple of hours would have been nice if we've gone to the cinema and been in a room full of people kind of laughing along and stuff. [00:20:49] Speaker C: I mean, I will say that, like, because it got released, released on streaming and just heard people talking about it. I genuinely thought that it was a series just from what I was, because I wasn't really sort of seeing a lot of what people were saying, just sort of vague references to it. And I thought just from the name and the fact that it was on streaming, I just assumed, oh, they made a series of it and that kind of shows how like, maybe the not very well marketed in probably. [00:21:20] Speaker B: Well, I don't think they've marketed it at all, really, in terms of, you know, it's come up on the kind of like, main screen occasionally, but there's not been any kind of marketing push in terms of. [00:21:31] Speaker A: Which is strange, because you think when Eddie Murphy was at the height of his star power, this would have been plastered everywhere under the sun. [00:21:40] Speaker C: Yeah, but as we said, like, doesn't have the same star power unless it shrek five, which. Which is getting a cinema release over there. [00:21:48] Speaker A: Well, that's the thing. That's kind of like. Is it just sequels nowadays? Are we just gonna constantly get sequels in the cinema? And anytime anybody does try something new, like Fall Guy. Well, reimagined, not new, but anybody tries to do something a bit different from June part 633 or another MCU movie. [00:22:09] Speaker C: One thing I've seen people bring up that's, like, a significant problem with this is the fact that movies nowadays will be at the cinema for, like, a week and it doesn't get that word of mouth that a lot of these sorts of films would benefit from. Like, I think fall guy has done well over streaming. No, but over time, it's done better just because it's had that word of mouth. So people didn't go rush out to see it immediately, but because so many people saw it and liked it, they told their friends and they went to see it, like, in following weeks. But if you take it out of the cinema, you've not got that impact. [00:22:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it's the same with, like, furioso. It was the same. It was kind of like. They've piled everything into that opening weekend, and if something doesn't perform in the opening weekend, they go, well, that's a complete disaster, and we're gonna pull it. And I think it is. You know, cinema isn't. Everybody doesn't go on the opening weekend. Britain's not America. People will go, I'm busy. [00:23:06] Speaker C: Historically, that's always been the thing, though, where, like, a lot of the films that we consider classics that have done well, a lot of it was word of mouth. [00:23:13] Speaker B: Yes, it was. They were built over time. Yeah. [00:23:16] Speaker A: But I think there's a rush now to get it onto streaming as soon as possible or get it onto Blu ray and dvd, because that's where they'll earn. [00:23:22] Speaker C: Yeah, let's get it onto streaming so that we can lose money. We're really good. Big business. Big brain business, boys. [00:23:28] Speaker B: Yeah. I think it's unfair on a film as well to kind of, like, call it flop or a disaster or a bomb if it's not made a billion dollars in the first weekend, because it's like. That's. That's not an indicator of the quality of a film, and I think people are put off by the go, oh, I heard that was a bomb, so it can't be. It's a. It's done badly at the box office, so it must be a bad film. [00:23:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:47] Speaker B: And the two do not relate at all. [00:23:49] Speaker A: Okay, well, we'll flip over to something that had an even bigger budget than Axel F. Did as a movie, which is the acolyte on Disney plus at the moment. So it's. It's had a lot of controversy. I think there's the usual. Star wars fans hate Star wars fans now, and there's been a splitten ink within the audience. [00:24:08] Speaker D: Yeah, I think it's a. Another example of the sort of thing you were just talking about, Keith, with people saying, oh, it's bad because it's Disney doing Star wars, and therefore, it must be awful. And I'm gonna say all these awful things about it, and then other people seeing all this awful stuff on the Internet and thinking, oh, well, it must be bad. I'm not going to watch it. It's actually all right. [00:24:30] Speaker A: I wouldn't say it's the greatest series that's coming out the Star wars stable. [00:24:35] Speaker C: If you think about it, one of the things that I've seen. One of the big complaints I've seen about it was, like, there's a scene where, like, someone uses a lightsaber to, like, chop off her hair or something, and I was just like, is this really all you have to complain about? [00:24:50] Speaker A: I mean, I could have done without the musical number in the middle of episode three, to be fair. [00:24:55] Speaker D: I wouldn't call it a musical number. It's a little bit of chanting. I know what you mean. It slightly takes you out of it, but it's fine. I can live with that. [00:25:03] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think Leslie Hayden's getting a lot of flack online because it's all. She's a. She's a lesbian. So therefore, this is woke Star wars. [00:25:13] Speaker B: Oh, it's got an agenda, I imagine. [00:25:15] Speaker C: It's not woke anymore. It's Dei now is the new dog whistle. [00:25:19] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's the whole thing about, oh, we can't let women touch Star wars because they'll ruin it, and, oh, we're gonna sexualize Janimus into in it. Star wars has never been sexualized ever before. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Return of the Jedi, any of the prequel series, you know, but, I mean, I've seen. I've not watched it yet. Not because I don't want to watch it. I do want to watch it, but my schedule has meant that I'm just massively behind on those shows, but I just can't believe the wildly different views that are being spouted online. You know, I'll see one review that goes nine out of ten, masterpiece, brilliant, best Star wars ever, and others that go to terrible. Worst thing I've ever seen in my life. [00:26:02] Speaker A: It's a completely polarized audience, I think, as well. [00:26:05] Speaker D: There's an element of if you go on IMDb, for example, and look at the user reviews, there's so many people taking it off and giving it one or two stars. I sort of look at it and think, like, normally I'd give this like a six or seven maybe at most, but I'm tempted to go ten. Just counter out all these awful people. [00:26:26] Speaker A: I think it's definitely been uneven. I think there's been some really strong highlights. There's been some kind of terrible acting, but it's Star wars. There's guaranteed there will be some terrible acting regardless of when it is. If you look at the cast, Lee Jung Jae, Daphne Keene, Manny Jacinto, there's been some really strong performances in there. [00:26:46] Speaker D: Legion Jae in particular. Like, even on the IMDb message boards, the people who are sagging off as much as they can can't find anything bad to say about him. I know, quite complimentary. He's just a really kind of soulful figure. It feels like a proper Jedi with decent morals, but still human. [00:27:08] Speaker A: One thing that does take me out of it, and I do find slightly abusing, is anytime Carrie Ann Moss appears on screen, there's a matrix dollar little violin. It's like all carry on, Mouse is back. [00:27:19] Speaker B: But again, that's possibly casting people who are particularly well known as other characters in big franchises. It's always going to bring that baggage with them. But I think, again, it's the idea of fans feeling they have to have. It's got to be better, it's got to be bigger. It's like a series will be what it is, and it's like sometimes they'll be bigger and grander. Sometimes they'll be smaller and different stories. It's the same problem that Marvel suffers because everybody thinks whatever comes next has got to be bigger and better than Endgame, and people won't accept. They're like, maybe we'll do a smaller, more intimate story. This story is the acolyte set in the high Republic era. [00:27:58] Speaker A: This is one thing I want to say for once. It's Star wars, not fold of member barriers. It's not. Here's a random character you're going to know that we're going to slot in just for a bit of France. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Even though I've heard they've done that. [00:28:10] Speaker A: They have done it with one character. And again, that caused a load of arguing online because somebody updated a Wikipedia page and it was like, oh, but. [00:28:18] Speaker C: Yeah, fandoms were a mistake. [00:28:22] Speaker B: Terrible, terrible thing, aren't they? [00:28:23] Speaker D: It's a character from the novels, isn't it? [00:28:26] Speaker A: It's not like, no, it's from the prequels. It's the Keir al Mundi. It's basically, they're saying they changed his date of birth for him to appear in this, but his date of birth was never in the movies. So therefore, it's like, it's like it's fantasy. [00:28:40] Speaker B: It's the same thing with the people. I saw that whole thing about cutting hair and people trying to explain the science around Star wars. It's like, oh, that would burn Star wars. [00:28:50] Speaker A: It is fantasy space. [00:28:52] Speaker B: If it's that hot that you're saying that it would burn you if you cut your hair, how are you holding it in your hand in the first place? It's like, it's fantasy. [00:29:00] Speaker A: It's like just first episode, there's a fire in space, and everybody was going, oh, George Lucas would have never had fire in space. Like, have you seen episode one where r gets introduced by putting out a fire in space? It's like it's already there. Stop taking on tiny little things. [00:29:16] Speaker C: Typically just operates off the rule of call. It's like, yeah, you know, we want to put this thing in there. [00:29:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:29:22] Speaker C: Works for whatever we want to do at that moment, which. [00:29:25] Speaker B: Which is exactly the reason why I want to watch it. I want to see a bunch of people with lightsabers having a fight and spaceships and, like, you know, some of. [00:29:31] Speaker A: The fight scenes, I would say they're probably the best fight scene I've seen since Obi Wan versus Anakin. [00:29:37] Speaker D: Yeah. There was one without any spoilers in the most recent episode with a character that I think everyone was really looking forward to seeing in a fight and did not disappoint at all. That was excellent. [00:29:50] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's some of the best choreographing of a fight scene I've seen. And it's. I think it's just people have taken the worst elements of the show and amplified them a thousand times to say, this is what's bad with Star wars. It's kind of, don't watch it. [00:30:08] Speaker B: Don't watch it. [00:30:09] Speaker A: You got Disney plus. Go and watch the original films, if you want to do that. [00:30:12] Speaker C: Well, it's like you said at the beginning, no one hates Star wars more than Star wars fans. [00:30:16] Speaker A: Yeah, cool. But yeah, I would recommend viewing it. And if you're a fan of a different angle of Star wars, have a troy. [00:30:25] Speaker D: Yeah. Make your own mind up about it. Don't listen to people online. [00:30:31] Speaker A: So it's been a long old while since we plumbed the depths of YouTube finding some movie trailers. So we thought we'd pick a random selection and bring them to review prior to actually seeing the content. So, Keith, you picked the first one, which is Bando Stone and the new world from the mind of Donald Glover, or Don Glover, as he hates being called. But this is the last episode, last thing under his childish Gambino alter ego, officially. [00:31:00] Speaker B: Well, it's kind of like we're not 100% certain at the moment what it is because it's the final childish Gambino album, of which there is supposedly this film called Bando Stone. [00:31:14] Speaker A: So it's either a soundtrack album or a studio album with a movie. [00:31:18] Speaker B: This is kind of like. It's a bit like Prince's album for Batman. So, like, there's lots of songs related to the film, but there's not necessarily going to be in the film. So I've been looking this up over the past few weeks to kind of figure out whether it's actually a real thing or whether it's just a massive promotion for the film, for the soundtrack. And it's not actually a film because there's no, like release date or anything on there. The IMDb page is pretty kind of lacking in stuff. So this trailer's come out of nowhere and I loved it. I thought, great trailer. Brilliant. [00:31:48] Speaker A: So the releasing trailer with a quiet place, day one. So it's kind of filling that apocalypse vibe. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I kind of like, if you watch the trailer, when it opens up, it's almost like the. I just go, is he coming out of a TarDIS? It's this blue door, you can't see it. And it's kind of like, is this like a new take on Doctor who? Yeah, so he's kind of like this singer that's trapped in. I mean, it's so. It is quite funny because basically they're going, this is all you can do is sing. You are useless in a post apocalyptic world. And they've got all this weird stuff going on. There's a kind of like a rhino. [00:32:24] Speaker A: Sized water hog thing and basically he's battling prehistoric animals. So, like, you see cassowaries. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Yeah. There's a sequence where it's basically the gallimimus sequence from Jurassic park must be filmed in exactly the same location because it looks the same. [00:32:40] Speaker C: But this is because it's clearly the lost island key. [00:32:43] Speaker A: But if you remember, reboot, reboot the cartoon, these blogs coming from the sky and they would delete elements of the world. And it seemed to be quite inspired by that with some. It looks neon, it looks great. [00:32:54] Speaker B: And he wears a spam baseball cap in it as well. It looks like an extension. I mean, people have been watching Atlanta, and as Atlanta progressed, it became more and more surreal and magic realism and weird things happening. And it seems like a natural progression of that into a film. And I like the retro style logo that it's got, which is like, you know, this is. This is really cool. So I'm gonna be. I'm hoping it's gonna be another kind of, like, throwback cool kind of, you know, film that just is fun and entertaining and, you know, it looked great. And I thought, you know, this is a. This is a film I want to see. I hope it's a proper film and not will just end up being a kind of 45 minutes promo for the album. It's like, please make this a film. [00:33:39] Speaker A: I wouldn't mind seeing a decent 45 minutes movie, to be honest. I think those have disappeared. I would like something which is 45 minutes to an hour, which has a good story, versus 90 minutes with loads of fillering. Yeah. [00:33:54] Speaker B: But again, I think. Was it Beyonce with lemonade? Yeah, it was a similar kind of thing, but it's just the details of thinning the ground, really. [00:34:03] Speaker A: They've obviously spent a lot of money on this trailer, and it's like, if they've not done something actually movie related, I would be very surprised with the amount they look to have spent on this. [00:34:13] Speaker B: Well, there's an Instagram page for the. For Bando Stone. Yeah. And there's kind of, like cryptic clues. They've. They put out a map and stuff about things. So there's kind of this mystery surrounding it. So it's quite, you know, what do. [00:34:29] Speaker A: You think of it being the end of childish Gambino, which is always been his music alter ego? [00:34:34] Speaker B: I kind of think it's. It's. In a way, it's. It's the. The bowiness of it. It's this kind of like, it's whatever, Aladdin sane or Ziggy Stardust. It's just this Persona that is. Is coming with it. And I think, you know, that it'll be interesting to see where maybe baby. [00:34:50] Speaker A: Stone is the next character. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Well, I mean, technically, you know, he's a character, you know, and it's, you know, I kind of like. [00:34:58] Speaker C: Well, that's. That's kind of one thing. I was wondering if, like, this is all tying in with the album, how much of it is going to be from the perspective of this singer. Yeah, sort of thing. Yeah. [00:35:10] Speaker B: So I think the first single was released this week. I think so, possibly, yeah. So it depends how that. What happens with the release on that. But, yeah. Great trailer. I wanted to watch it, so fingers crossed it is an actual movie. [00:35:26] Speaker A: I mean, I'm always up for more sci-Fi yeah. Cool. Next movie along the list, then. Gladiator two. Sam, this was your pick? [00:35:35] Speaker D: It was, yes. I mean, Gladiator is one of the biggest sort of modern classics, I think, in cinema. [00:35:43] Speaker A: Was it. [00:35:46] Speaker D: 2000? [00:35:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:49] Speaker D: And. Yeah. So a mere 24 years later, we're getting a sequel starring Paul Mescal, who's excellent. He was in all of the strangers. Thank you. Yes, all of us strangers, which is, despite the fact that I just forgot its name, probably my favorite film of the year so far, and has a couple of returning characters. Derek Jacoby being one, Internet daddies in ithood. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Pedro Pascal. [00:36:21] Speaker D: Yes. Yep. Pedro Pascal and Joseph Quinn. So it'll be sort of the first pairing of the new Mister fantastic and Johnny Storm, which might be fun. Jonny Quinn being one of the two emperors at the time. And they seem to have dressed him up as a sort of slightly damp ed Sheeran. [00:36:47] Speaker A: He looks very pale and pasty, doesn't he? Looks not very well. And so is his. Is it twit. I think they're twins, aren't they, or something. Or brothers. I can't remember two emperors at the same time. [00:36:58] Speaker D: Yeah, well, the other one is Caracalla. Yeah. [00:37:01] Speaker A: And he's gator. [00:37:03] Speaker D: Thank you. Yes. Caracalla, I think, is the more famous one historically, but, yeah, it looks really exciting. It's got something which I don't think I've seen in films before, but it was a genuine thing that they did in ancient Rome, where they flooded the Colosseum to recreate naval battles, which is such a kind of epic concept that it feels amazing. This is the first time we've seen it on a big screen. There's also a bit where he has to fight a guy riding a rhino, which pops up in trailers more often than you'd think. And it's always slightly disappointing. It was slightly disappointing in the. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Black. [00:37:48] Speaker D: Panther and it was also slightly disappointing in. I don't think I'm thinking of 300, but I might be thinking of 300. It's probably. [00:37:58] Speaker A: It's 300. [00:38:02] Speaker B: This trailer gave me serious vibes of the terrible, not great sequel. [00:38:07] Speaker A: Yeah, rising Empire. [00:38:09] Speaker B: I thought this was a pretty. Personally, I thought it was a terrible, terrible. [00:38:13] Speaker A: Just trying to think of another rhino scene and the only one I can think of is Ace Ventura two. [00:38:18] Speaker B: That's the wrong end. That's the wrong end. But I just thought this, this Gladiator two sequel trailer just seemed like one of those, like, yeah, we've. We've got the license for this film. It's not really related. We're just gonna call it Gladiator two and stick it out and on straight up to video bottom shelf with maybe a few famous actors in it at the end of their. [00:38:36] Speaker C: We can't get rid of sucrose. He's too busy doing exorcisms. [00:38:43] Speaker A: Son of gladiator or something. [00:38:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it just seemed a bit. [00:38:46] Speaker D: They kind of have. Because Paul Moscow is playing Russell Crowe's son. [00:38:50] Speaker A: Yes. [00:38:50] Speaker D: And it would have been a bit weird if they had brought Russell Crowe back, given the end of Gladiator. [00:38:56] Speaker B: It just smacked a little bit, kind of like, do we really need this film? And there wasn't really anything in the trailer. I kind of thought, this doesn't feel as powerful and epic as the original felt. It kind of just. I didn't really understand what the trailer was trying to communicate to us. I'm not like, what's the stakes here? You've got a few cool actors, like, looking all moody and weird, and then they kind of do the weird thing of going, let's stick a contemporary music track on the trailer because that's going. [00:39:22] Speaker D: To sell it to the kids. [00:39:25] Speaker B: What's going on? [00:39:26] Speaker A: Reinforce the void. [00:39:27] Speaker B: Yeah. So I kind of thought it was a weirdly positioned trailer to try and. [00:39:32] Speaker C: Make you excited about it. Would you like to see more people smacking each other in a colossal. [00:39:37] Speaker B: We've got ships now. It's cool. [00:39:38] Speaker D: Yeah, I would like to see that. And I think Ridley Scott does that very, very well. [00:39:44] Speaker A: But do you think they brought it back because of Game of Thrones and stuff like that? And this is their kind of historical epic way of getting. [00:39:51] Speaker B: There's another similar film or tv series, Anthony Hopkins coming soon, and I'm kind of wondering whether it's just we're in that period now where everybody goes, yeah, Rome's cool again, isn't it? It was in Godzilla. [00:40:05] Speaker C: We're done with samurai now. It's ancient Roman. [00:40:07] Speaker A: Yeah, it's kind of. We've run out of superhero movies. They're still on. There's kind of. Yeah. Hollywood's moved away from superheroes now. So is it gonna be westerns? Is it gonna be samurais? Is it gonna be romans? [00:40:19] Speaker B: It's that 20 year cycle of swords and sandals, isn't it, really? It's kind of like. Yeah. And you kind of know there's gonna be a few boobs in there somewhere. Definitely, yes. That's the kind of thing these movies go through. [00:40:29] Speaker C: It feels like an executive has come into a position and is like his hyper fixation is ancient Rome. So he's just commissioning all the ancient Rome. [00:40:39] Speaker A: I was looking at Ridley Scott's filmography since Gladiator, so we had Hannibal. Good. Black Hawk down, good match. Dick men, kingdom of heaven. [00:40:48] Speaker D: Excellent. Hugely underrated. [00:40:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:50] Speaker D: I love that film. [00:40:51] Speaker A: American gangster, which I thought was a good film. Body of lies, and then the rot sets in. So we have Robin Hood, Prometheus, the counsellor, Exodus, gods and kings, the Martian, which I thought was a decent adaptation, actually, to be fair. Alien covenant, all the money of the world. The last jewel, which completely and utterly bombed, even though it had two of the hottest people of the time in it. [00:41:15] Speaker D: The last jewel was a really good film. I don't know why. Well, I think it did so badly because it wasn't very well marketed, but, yeah. [00:41:22] Speaker A: And then you've got House of Gucci and Napoleon, which nobody liked, especially the French. So is this kind of him trying to reset the dial a bit and go, I'm actually a fairly decent director, please let me have a chance again. So I know you think his brother was. [00:41:39] Speaker C: I don't know. It feels like the fact that obviously you brought a Prometheus and alien covenant in there. It feels like another attempt at chasing past glories in the same way that he's done with those? [00:41:49] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:41:50] Speaker A: And it's quite interesting. I don't think he's involved at all in alien Robulus. [00:41:54] Speaker B: Yeah, he's kind of an executive producer. He's got his hand in there. [00:41:59] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's kind of. You don't know Ridley. [00:42:04] Speaker B: You can retire. [00:42:05] Speaker A: You've had a good enough time as a director. Yeah. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Do you know who the composer is for gladiator two? Does it have a music? [00:42:10] Speaker D: Harry Gregson Williams. [00:42:12] Speaker B: Okay. [00:42:13] Speaker C: Oh, so it's going to sound like a Metal Gear series. [00:42:15] Speaker B: Yep. [00:42:16] Speaker D: Or chicken run. [00:42:17] Speaker A: Well, there's only him. Zimmer Williams or what's his face, the guy who did the mandalorian soundtrack seems to be good. [00:42:26] Speaker B: Vic. [00:42:27] Speaker A: They seem to be the only composers running around. [00:42:31] Speaker C: Everyone else is going to video games. [00:42:32] Speaker A: I think Giacchino as well. Sorry. [00:42:36] Speaker B: Yeah, but he's good, so he's just in another league altogether, I think. Bear mcCreary. Yeah. [00:42:42] Speaker A: From the trailer. [00:42:43] Speaker C: I think he's going into video games a lot now. [00:42:45] Speaker A: So from the trailer, it's probably going to be a good watch, but depends on how much modern music they shove into it. [00:42:52] Speaker D: I accept, as a trailer, it wasn't amazing, but I'm still very excited for the film. [00:42:57] Speaker A: And there's quite a lot of nods back to the first film as World War. We shall see how it goes. Right. So now it's my trailer choice time. I'm picking something coming on Apple TV which I've still not purchased or had a trial of yet, but this is really tempting me to have one. Jermaine Clinic, Ian Morris, Taika Waititi are back after doing what we're doing, the shadows, and they are doing a reboot of time bandits based on the 1981 film by Terry Gilliam and Michael Palin. So I thought it looked pretty cool. Keith, what did you think? [00:43:31] Speaker B: Before I saw the trailer, I saw the Internet, who seemed to take an instant dislike to the whole thing in terms of it being another rung that Taika has taken down with his agenda of whatever it is. But I then saw the trailer and thought it was pretty cool. I loved the original movie and I thought there were lots of elements in this that have obviously been changed for one reason or another, but I didn't think it was at the detriment. The story, it looked really fun. There were callbacks to the original film in terms of its look, and I'm kind of looking forward to a nice, fun fantasy adventure, hopefully for all the family, but as dark elements and scares. [00:44:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Of all of the trailers that we've seen for this segment, that's probably the one that's kind of caught my attention the most. I just genuinely, like, I thought there were some real funny moments in it and I, you know, it just looks like an interesting concept and stuff. I have no real association with the original. I'm aware of its existence, but I've just never really seen it or, like, even really seen clips of it, so I know of it, but that's about it. [00:44:34] Speaker A: It was your typical Terry Gilliam dark fantasy book for kids, to be honest. [00:44:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:39] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, I am all for a Lisa Kudrow resurgence. [00:44:44] Speaker D: I think she fits incredibly well into the Taika Waititi kind of mould. [00:44:49] Speaker A: It's got the right level of kooky, you'll think. [00:44:52] Speaker D: Yes, exactly. [00:44:53] Speaker A: Yeah. But what we do in the shadows has been one of my favorite series of the last decade, and I'm always up for a bit more. Jermaine Clement and Taika Petiti. [00:45:02] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:45:02] Speaker C: Seeing. Seeing him in the trailer was great just because he's, like, this powerful, evil guy, and then he just turns around and goes, this is serious. [00:45:10] Speaker B: It's evil, so it's serious. [00:45:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:12] Speaker B: I mean, I've mentioned this the other show that they had very flag means death vibes for it, and I'm kind of like, if I can't get another flag means death series, I'm totally down with this because it's got that feeling of kind of like a misshapen, bizarrely made up family. And if you kind of the story of the character, mate, the lead child character in time, man, this has that kind of, like, sense of he doesn't feel part of his family and all the kind of rest of the thing, and he goes on these adventures and stuff happens to his real family and stuff. And then I kind of like the idea of, like, halfway through the trailer, they go, yeah, this is your family, aren't they? They just like you. It's fine. This whole idea. [00:45:53] Speaker A: No, I think not an annoying child actor as well. [00:45:58] Speaker B: But there seems to be that thing in a lot of Taika's stories about this found family kind of stuff and that you kind of make. Make the family that you want. [00:46:07] Speaker C: I think the only criticism I have of the trailer is, like, the Jeff Bezos joke. And that bit. That bit's fine. It's the bit where you've got a guy explaining the joke where it's just like, oh, we don't know who he is. I'm just like, you didn't need this line. Cut this completely. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Yeah. But I think it's nice that they're revisiting some of Terry Gilliam stuff because he made some really groundbreaking movies which do not get enough love. I mean, Brazil is just a fantastical epic, and I really recommend anybody seeing it. [00:46:38] Speaker C: I've seen Brazil, and I still don't know what I think about it. It's one of those. It's one of those where it's like, okay, I think that was good. I think maybe, but that's. [00:46:48] Speaker A: That's some of the best kind of movies because it all means that you'll rewatch it again and again to find your interpretation of it, and it's and it's left completely up to you how you want that film to finish. And that's what I like. And it's nice to have some of his stuff revisited and reworked. Outside of the python's work, it had. [00:47:05] Speaker B: Slightly more exciting gladiator based looking stuff in it as well. [00:47:10] Speaker D: I did love the joke about the trojan horse. Nothing's too big for us to steal. Oh, actually, that is quite big. Now, that close. [00:47:17] Speaker B: But the way Lisa Kudrow delivers that line as well, I think this could be her kind of breakthrough role as a kind of like. Actually, you're still pretty cool. And Phoebe wasn't just a one off. [00:47:27] Speaker A: A bit of the pirate ship where she goes, I am the leader of this band of people. [00:47:31] Speaker B: It sorts everything. [00:47:33] Speaker A: Actually, we're kind of going to level. [00:47:35] Speaker B: You, but it's that Taika and Jermaine Clement kind of sense of humor, which I kind of like. I do kind of like a slightly antipodean comedy stuff. It's much more closer to british comedy than american comedy. [00:47:49] Speaker A: It feels like museum american hybrid stuff of ghosts and horrible histories. And I think that's probably the vibe they're going for. [00:47:56] Speaker B: Did you ever see Netflix had another series, Monkey, the Legend of? It was a kind of Zealand thing. It was a remake of monkey. I really enjoyed that. Went for two seasons and that had a similar vibe to it, which is kind of a cool thing. So, yeah, I'm totally down for this. I will watch it. I've got. [00:48:15] Speaker C: It's a shame. It's on Apple tv. [00:48:16] Speaker B: Yeah, you can get. You can get a seven day trial with it. And I imagine Apple will drop it weekly as well, which I do quite like. [00:48:25] Speaker A: But there's other stuff on Apple I've been meaning to watch for a while. I mean, Ted lasso, etcetera. [00:48:29] Speaker B: I mean, the shockingly amount of quality stuff that is on Apple TV, he's severance. [00:48:35] Speaker A: Everybody keeps raving about him. [00:48:36] Speaker B: Severance of the Tetris monarch. [00:48:39] Speaker A: So. [00:48:39] Speaker D: Horse. [00:48:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:40] Speaker C: A phrase I never thought I would say. I want to see the Tetris movie. Okay. [00:48:45] Speaker A: It's moving swiftly along. F One, the movie starring Brad Pitt, Lewis Hamilton, Damson, Idris, Kerry Condon and Javier Bardem. [00:48:56] Speaker C: Sounds like a real stretch for Lewis Hamilton. [00:48:58] Speaker A: No, he's in it. He is listed on the IMDb. [00:49:01] Speaker C: No, I'm saying for him as an actor, it feels like a real stretch for him to play an f one track. [00:49:06] Speaker B: I mean, what is he going to bring to the role? Is he any experience in the thing? [00:49:11] Speaker A: We already know Keith's going to hate this because music is by Hans Zimmer. So real sweet. [00:49:15] Speaker B: Well, I mean, of the trailers we watched so far, I mean, I kind of thought, I don't know what the gladiator two trailer's telling me about the movie. This one was just basically, you remember moneyball? That's that with f one. [00:49:28] Speaker C: The trailer told me, hey, here are some f one cars. [00:49:31] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:49:31] Speaker B: Also, 60 year old men can drive f one cars. [00:49:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, that's one point I was talking to you guys about Micka hacking, and who is 55, retired in 2001. Brad Pitt is 60, and he's playing a retired f one driver. [00:49:44] Speaker C: Coming back. I think there's a lot of people who don't realize just how much, like, physical fitness you need to have to be a professional racing driver, especially Formula one. Although my main takeaway from that trailer was like, you're making Formula one look far too exciting. [00:49:58] Speaker B: A lot of people complain that films trailers give away too much of the film's plot. This time I was like, there's cars. [00:50:05] Speaker C: And some of them have. [00:50:09] Speaker B: What is your story here? Is it. But an old driver comes back to battle his pretty nemesis. Is it just like, here's some pretty shots of cars that are probably CGI and good at anything for real. [00:50:21] Speaker C: And whatever it is, it says a lot that I know more about motorsports than I care to realize. That as soon as I saw the bit in the trailer where the two f one cars are of, you know, jostling for position right next to each other, I'm just like, okay, they're gonna get penalties, and, like, they're gonna be pushed, forced to the back. Because that's what Formula one is. It's just the most boring motorsport. [00:50:41] Speaker A: I always wait for Martin Brundle to be in the trailer, just wandering around and shoving the microphone up random celebrities noses. [00:50:48] Speaker B: I'm hoping there's a subpart about the two guys in the pit lane. Cause there's obviously animosity between these two guys. Cause there is a sequence where they kind of lean out and kind of give each other the eye. And I'm like, is there some kind of subplot here about, like, you know, were brothers or something? And there's a clash, and they're both on different teams. One's on McLaren, one's on Red Bull. [00:51:07] Speaker D: Or whatever it is. [00:51:07] Speaker B: Because it could be really exciting. It isn't. [00:51:10] Speaker C: I did find it funny at the beginning of the trailer where you've just got Brad Pitt listing off Formula one teams. I'm just like, well done, Brad. [00:51:17] Speaker B: Well done. [00:51:18] Speaker A: He's not got the script right in. [00:51:19] Speaker C: Front of his face. [00:51:21] Speaker B: McLaren. [00:51:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:22] Speaker B: Red Bull. [00:51:24] Speaker A: But you've got Joseph Kaczynski doing the direction on this one. And the last big film, big, big film was Top Gun Maverick. He's also doing twisters, which is out soon. [00:51:33] Speaker B: He did Tron. Yeah. [00:51:35] Speaker A: Legacy as well. [00:51:36] Speaker B: I mean, he's a great director, visual director. He's a great director. He's just. I don't really get what this film is. [00:51:43] Speaker A: Well, it's officially licensed because they're using the current f one logo. So I'm assuming it's pretty much just a giant advert for Formula one. [00:51:50] Speaker D: Probably, to be fair, it does. So the flip side of what you were saying, it does look like as exciting as Formula one is ever going to look. [00:51:59] Speaker B: Wouldn't you just kind of watch Formula one instead? Do we need a movie? [00:52:05] Speaker D: Maybe. But if you're going to watch Formula one, you might as well watch it in a nice, condensed 90 minutes instead of over several hours. [00:52:14] Speaker B: But then surely you could just watch Ford versus Ferrari. [00:52:16] Speaker C: But this is the thing that I was saying, though, is like, the thing about Formula one is because there's so many penalties and so many things of just like that basically reduce how much. How exciting it can actually be. This is going to obviously take those liberties that are going to make it more interesting. [00:52:32] Speaker B: I thought what the trailer did lack, though, was any shots of drivers throwing their helmets on the floor or kicking tires. It's like that would have given me kind of like, you know, that bit more of an excited vibe of a driver throwing his helmet on the floor. [00:52:45] Speaker C: There's probably some executive at Formula one being like, absolutely not. How dare you say that our truck drivers are petulant, rich children. [00:52:53] Speaker A: Well, there's two ways you can always do an f one trailer. One is no music and just use the sound of the cars, which has been done multiple times. And it's quite effective if you want to do it. Or you can do the hodgepodge montage of what we got, where it's. Here's a three second clip from the film, and we'll just skip into cars going like this. It just. Yeah, it wasn't a very impressive trailer, and I think it's purely for f one fans, this movie. If you don't like the sport, you're probably not going to go to the cinema and watch it anyway. [00:53:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think it's going to be a billion dollar box office smashed. [00:53:23] Speaker C: You underestimate how popular Formula one is Keith. [00:53:27] Speaker B: I'll eat my Formula one baseball cap. [00:53:30] Speaker C: I'm not saying it'll be good, but I will. I am saying Formula one is very popular. [00:53:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And it will be one of those films that's going to be on sky for eternity because they'll put it on when people. When the f one's not on. So people go, oh, they'll have. [00:53:43] Speaker B: They'll dedicate one of their channels to it, and it will just be on 24 hours. [00:53:47] Speaker C: Right. [00:53:48] Speaker A: So, moving on to our final film. And I've picked this one for you, Lee, because I know how much you love this franchise. It is Captain Brave New World, and it is the 35th film in the Marvel Cinematic universe. [00:53:59] Speaker C: Now, it's too many films. It's 35 films too many. [00:54:04] Speaker D: And the second new world that we've got today. [00:54:07] Speaker A: So Anthony Mackie's back. Sam Wilson, Danny Ramirez, Sherra Harris, Carl Lumbey. Giancarlo Esposito is obviously playing the bad guy in it because that's all Giancarlo Esposito is that his entire career is now look slightly menacing at camera, and. [00:54:22] Speaker C: It doesn't even matter what medium. Like, he was in a far cry during it. [00:54:26] Speaker D: Although Maxine, he's not entirely a villain in Maxine. He's not perfect. [00:54:33] Speaker B: I don't think the character he's playing in this is actually an out and out villain, either. [00:54:38] Speaker A: No, but it's nice. Liv Tyler's back. Interestingly, Betsy Ross, Harrison Ford is playing Thunderbolt Ross, and sans the moustache, Blake Nelson is in it as well. [00:54:51] Speaker B: The leader. Yeah. So we got characters coming back from the Incredible Hulk, one of the forgotten. [00:54:56] Speaker A: The Eric Banner era. Yep. I mean, it. I mean, the title itself, brave new world, of course, referring to Aldous Huxley about this dystopian future where everything is controlled by mass media. Bit on the nose as a subtitle to a movie, maybe, but, yeah, from the plot, we know that Sam Wilson is trying to support Thunderbolt Ross, and they're trying to get Captain America as an actual military role. And it looks like he's trying to be president or he is the president. I can't tell. [00:55:26] Speaker B: I think he's either running for it or he is. So they're bringing characters back from the Falcon and Winter Soldier tv show as well. [00:55:35] Speaker C: The problem is, though, Harrison Ford can't be president because then they'll hack. They'll hijack Air Force one. [00:55:41] Speaker A: Maybe there will be a scene where he's on Air Force one. Sam has to come and rescue him. I mean, he's a flying, he's a football player. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I kind of liked it. I liked the trailer in the fact that it paired back the superhero. The superheroics. [00:55:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:56] Speaker B: It was definitely kind of learning the lesson of why Civil War, not civil War. Winter Soldier was such a good movie that it was like, it's. It's a spy thriller. You know, it was, it was definitely hints of, like, Jack Ryan, which, with the Harrison Ford connection is quite amusing. [00:56:12] Speaker A: I really love the line where it says, you might be Captain America, but you're not Steve Rogers. And he went, yes, I know. Which I think, again, takes away that superhero. [00:56:20] Speaker B: Yeah. So they kind of paired back up that there wasn't really many shots in the trailer that had, like, the Falcon. There's a few towards the end, but most of it is that kind of like, you know, thriller, mancurian candidate type kind of like, you know, here's a person under threat even, you know, the. [00:56:39] Speaker A: I would say great. Apart from the last 2 seconds of the trailer where somebody turns up. [00:56:44] Speaker B: Yeah. But again, I got, again, to the general audience that meets utterly meaningless. It's like, what does this all mean? If you're a fan of the comic books and all the rest of it and knowing that the leader and Betty Ross are back in it, there's a whole kind of backstory, and the poster is quite a cool image that they've got, but it's like, yeah, lean into the thriller elements of it and pair back with super heroics. That's what made Winter Soldier such a good movie, is that it was, you know, Captain America as a character is less superhero, just more physically able, human. [00:57:24] Speaker D: Even more so now that. Yeah. Yes. Without his suit, he's just a normal guy. [00:57:33] Speaker A: It's the second Marvel trailer that got released this week because it was also the Agatha all along trailer, which I think everybody's completely forgotten about that because WandaVision was so long ago. But, yeah, this seems to tie very much into the Thunderbolts series. That's Cameron. [00:57:49] Speaker B: It's a series of film thunderbolts. Yeah. Which kind of springs out of what stuff that happened in Black Widow movie and a couple of other post credit things. But I think it's difficult to know what's happening until we've seen Deadpool and Wolverine, which I think is going to. [00:58:05] Speaker A: Be a bit of a multiverse reset. [00:58:07] Speaker B: Course correction, reestablishment of what Marvel is going to be doing over the next few months years, as they've kind of had a lot of people banging on about how they don't like it over the past phase. [00:58:19] Speaker A: I think the problem with the most recent, well, the last two phases is they've left so many dangling open threads, and there's no cohesive way. They couldn't get it all back in. So all the stuff that went on with the Eternals left open at the end of there lots of other films where they've just gone. [00:58:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:36] Speaker A: And then they've done stuff like kill really popular characters like Maria Herloff in Secret Invasion, Secret War, and you're not really. [00:58:44] Speaker D: They keep introducing people in post credit scenes that, yeah. [00:58:50] Speaker B: It was quite refreshing. There was been press conferences with Ryan Reynolds who's said there isn't gonna be a post credit scene in Deadpool and Wolverine, because it's like, basically all you're doing is watching a film to see the end, which is advertising the next film, to see the end of that film, which is the advertising for the next film, you're not really invested in the film that you're going to see. And I think that's hopefully Marvel will start to go, we're going to do a film, and it's itself. We know it exists within a wider world, but it's not. You don't have to have everything, doesn't have to be interconnected. [00:59:24] Speaker A: I think they built themselves into the Star wars issue of you've got to have a cameo from somebody else to tie it into the wider universe. You don't need to do that. Just take the characters, put them in their own little shoebox, and let it out. [00:59:37] Speaker C: It's the problem with the comics that I've seen so many times is in order to follow a lot of the comic stories, you need to follow a bunch of different series because they keep intertwining all the, and it's a big thing that's kind of plagued the comic industry. [00:59:51] Speaker A: Well, they have to reset it every five to ten years because it gets too wide and it gets too expansive, and they'll go, are we gonna have another cataclysmic event and start again from. [01:00:00] Speaker B: Afrika and then do exactly the same thing again? We never learn, do we? But I thought it was a great trailer. I'm kind of looking forward to it, I think, you know, it's much like Star wars or any of these kind of things from when I was a kid. It's like, to be honest, I'm gonna come watching them and like, you know, even. Even if they're like, I can't imagine I'll ever be truly awful. Awful. But it's like, as long as I'm entertained. Great. I'm quite happy to be. [01:00:32] Speaker A: I think you've got the people who jumped off at Endgame, and that was the end of the MCU for them, and more than half with that. And then I think you've got that group of people who are still kind of really engaged in the MCU. [01:00:45] Speaker B: But he looked good, so I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, I think it wasn't better than the Bando stone trailer, but I kind of liked it a lot. [01:00:53] Speaker A: I mean, if we go favorite trailer? [01:00:59] Speaker B: I like Time bandits a lot, but I'm gonna stick with Bando stone. [01:01:03] Speaker C: Time bandits. [01:01:06] Speaker D: I think I'm leaning time bandits. [01:01:08] Speaker A: Time bandits can't be a bit clever and Waititi. No. [01:01:12] Speaker B: And the fact that we. I'm not even 100% certain whether this is even gonna be a film or nothing yet. So, long time listeners and viewers to the geeky, Brummy podcast will know. In the past, I have a problem or two with public transport, which has led to things like bus life, which was basically just my trials and tribulations on buses, which has now developed a bus strife, because it's not a life, it's a strife. But this week, it got me thinking about public transport in science fiction and fantasy, and how they got it oh so wrong. And I was kind of thinking about how public transport in fantasy has been depicted over the past 100 or so years, and how much public transport plays into dramatic elements in films, tv shows, and books that dramatic events or finales will happen on a train or a ship or whatever it is, and then kind of the way public transport has been depicted, because we're in 2024, and we've got trams that can't run and buses that are late and trains that are no crew and no jetpacks and flying cars or whatever it is. And so I was thinking about the prevalence of public transport in science fiction, where it's things like Larry Niven's kind of mobile walkways, where you just step on and it gets taken to where it is, Orlando transporters in Star Trek or whatever it is that you've got, you can instantly be transported from one place to the other, or monorails, as the Simpsons would have us have, or air trams. [01:02:51] Speaker A: That's why it's science fiction, Keith. The fiction is not the mode of transport. The fiction is. It runs to a timetable. [01:02:59] Speaker B: Gravity is the fantasy. It's the fact that you can get it, whatever it is. So lots of novelists and science fiction people have kind of like, tried to think about how they've obviously looked at the world and gone. Eventually, there's going to be no room for roads and no room for cars because the capacity will just disappear. So back to the future part two, the end of Back to the Future part one, where it's revealed that did Lorian now flies. And you go to the future and the future of 2015. [01:03:27] Speaker A: 2025. [01:03:28] Speaker B: That's 2015, was it 2015? And you've got skyline lanes and all the rest of it and kind of stuff like that. And you have kind of snowpiercer, a train that goes, circumnavigates the entire planet and that runs on time. Strangely enough, the Jetsons, cartoons from the kind of sixties where you've got, like, flying cars and evaporation pods. Futurama, which is basically a big tube that just, I was going to say one word, another phrase, but you are transported through this tube. I'm not going to say what it is. Total recall. You've got kind of things like Johnny cab self driving cars has been one of the big blade runner kind of things. IRobot spinners in Blade Runner 2001, you've got shuttles and stuff that will get you back and forwards to the moon and whatnot. Stargate, you know, big discs that will transport you across halfway across the universe. All kinds of flying buses or stuff like that. You know, my neighbor totaro, the catbus. Catbus. You wait, and it'll come. Monorails, zeppelins and airships. I mean, that was a massive thing in the kind of, like, post war period of like, skies full of zeppelins and airships that would get you from one place to the other. Maglevs which have been dabbled with, I think. Does the one at Birmingham airport still actually operate? [01:04:51] Speaker A: I think it's. I don't think it's Maglev. I think it's just a monorail now. [01:04:54] Speaker B: Is it just a monorail? They got rid of it. And so kind of, you've got Frank Herbert, Arthur C. Clarke, Ray Bradbury, HG. [01:05:00] Speaker A: Wells, Sandworm 2000 ad as a comic. [01:05:04] Speaker B: Has always been filled with all of these kind of, like, Mega City one is just a city that's just full of all these kind of weird and wonderful ways of getting around. So do you kind of have any thoughts on public transport systems that have been in fiction that you think, oh, why haven't we got that in 2024? [01:05:21] Speaker A: Well, I like the video game method of using public transport because it's always to hide a loading screen from a different. But you get onto said item of a public transport, and then you magically teleport to your destination and then you just get off. Said item of public transport with no kind of in between journey. That's kind of like how I'd like public transport to work. You magically turn up at the destination. [01:05:45] Speaker B: Fast travel to this location. [01:05:47] Speaker D: Yeah, there's quite a few Sci-Fi films where they sort of, in a way, have that in kind of interplanetary travel where you go into a kind of hypersleep. So you get on, you sit in a little pod, you go to sleep, you wake up, and you're hopefully where you're meant to be. But usually in the Sci-Fi films, you've been hit by meteor or you're on an alien planet and it's all gone horribly wrong somewhere. But the principle I quite like. [01:06:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm thinking of, like, because obviously I recently played, like, some rebirth. The amount of different forms of transport in that game is ridiculous. Chocolate booze, chocolate bows. You also have, like, a lot of the. So you've got, like the sort of coastal tourist town and you've got the theme park, gold saucer. And the main mode of transport is helicopters. So they've just got helicopters going back and forth. That's their entire motor transport. And I'm like, all right, cool. It's interesting that you chose that as the thing, not like a train or something. [01:06:49] Speaker A: Sounds like our former prime minister. He was a big fan of helicopters and planes. [01:06:54] Speaker B: I kind of. It just never. It boggles my mind that we're in the 21st century and yet we're still not able to do mass transit in a way that makes sense. Because the whole idea of, like, fantasy novelists thinking it makes out that you can actually travel interstellar distances easier than it is from getting from here to harbor on a bus. It's like you kind of feel like it's interstellar. [01:07:19] Speaker C: It's the same principle as, like, how it's cheaper to fly to Malaga and then fly back to London than it is to take the train. [01:07:27] Speaker A: I know, I have seen articles of people who have flown to a european destination to have a coffee and a catch up because it's cheaper than getting a train between two pipes in the UK, which is insanity. The thing that always gets with most Sci-Fi things is the transport is planned first. So they'll have a city, but you'll usually find that it's usually a very nicely laid out grid or kind of radial system. And the transport is always done first because it then makes logical sense to get from a to b, but it never happens like that. In reality. Nobody plumbs a city properly of because they're talking about that. You know, that line city they've been talking about in Dubai, where they're just digging out a just giant channel from the sea all the way into the middle of the desert. They're planning to have one train line go back and forth long enough. [01:08:14] Speaker C: That's not gonna work. [01:08:15] Speaker A: That's not gonna work. If you want to get from one end to the other end, that ain't gonna be sensible. There's like, plan it out a little bit better. That's kind of. If I always think of many films, it's usually trains, etc. Is the main chance of all. I mean, some use really effectively, like bullet train, the movie. I really enjoyed that bit daft how it finishes, but it works. But then you think of other films, as you said, like Snowpierce, collateral. Great use of public transport would see. But could you imagine them making that in the UK on the DLR, they'll go one stop and then the train will be taken out of service and everybody has to leave. [01:08:52] Speaker B: On the street, I think, is the irobot, where the actual road is a tube and the vehicles completely go round, or the whole. They're all magnetized or whatever it is. And then even thinking of things like turbo lifts in Star Trek, in the enterprise that go in multiple directions, so it's not just up and down, it will go left and right, so you can get wherever you want. But, yeah. Endlessly fascinates me that fiction writers and filmmakers are always trying to come up with these ways of getting people around that isn't just a car or, you know, the fact that trains are such a big thing, or buses and like, epic things happen on trains. I mean, I'm also ultimately disappointed every time I get the train that there isn't a massive, you know, spy versus spy kickoff or it ends up the bridge in front of me explodes and we're all dangling off the end of it and trying to scramble up, as, you know, grand pianos come flying down from who knows where. [01:09:49] Speaker A: What gets me is, you mentioned Larry Niven has it, the travelators. And I think a van Vo does it. Sorry, Alta C. Clarke does it in the robots of dawn series. Sorry, Asimov does it in the robots of dawn series, where you have, like, speedy travelators and you'll have one which is 10 miles an hour, one that's 21, that's 31, that's 40, and you'll move between them, get faster. [01:10:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:08] Speaker C: In real life, travel letters will usually hit. You'll have one going one direction, the other one's just broken. [01:10:13] Speaker A: Yep, we have one. Always go slower than actually just walking. [01:10:23] Speaker B: We've been to the NEC for conferences and events and stuff and I always think it's funny where somebody will go, I'll go on this travelator because it'll get me to. And you just walk past them at the other side and you wait at the other end going, what are you. What you doing? It's like you still have to, to kind of walk. [01:10:35] Speaker A: The thing that gets me is people who get on the travel later and stop dead and then it just becomes a pile up behind the people trying to walk. [01:10:41] Speaker C: It's only useful to go faster if you're walking along the traveling. [01:10:47] Speaker A: But, yeah, I think. What would be the ultimate form of transport for you then, Keith? Would it be the transport from Star Trek or Stargate? [01:10:55] Speaker B: We see, I have. I have problems with transporters from. For exactly the same reason as Doctor Bones McCoy has it and Mister broccoli. Yeah. It's the whole idea of, like, you're kind of. You're not actually transported, you're basically incinerated and you're a copy of you. The copy of you is reconstituted at the other end. And I'm kind of like, yeah, I'm not so sure that's what I want to happen to me all the time. I mean, I do quite like the futurama way of doing it. You kind of walk into a tube and, you know, like, pneumatic. Yeah, because we know that works because they have it for putting postal things around places and you just. It might ruin your hair. [01:11:34] Speaker C: I feel like there's a reason it works for post and maybe not people. [01:11:37] Speaker D: Yeah. If it gets clogged up, that's a much bigger problem with people than it is. [01:11:44] Speaker B: You know, I watched you watch the first Paddington movie and Paddington ends up in that system. It seems to work perfectly fine for a CGI animated bear. [01:11:54] Speaker A: More because it's at a very low pressure and there's no oxygen in the tubes because it's a vacuum. [01:11:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:59] Speaker B: But, you know, science, we can work that kind of stuff out. Kind of have. [01:12:03] Speaker A: Didn't Elon Musk try this? And it didn't go very well. [01:12:07] Speaker B: Well, that's the other thing he's been trying to do, the zoom tube or whatever he calls hyperloop, which is kind of another one, which is. [01:12:15] Speaker A: Stephen King had that pretty much in the gunslinger novels. [01:12:19] Speaker C: But the thing is that, you know, his original plan was this sort of of subway system and train system that went really fast because it's like, basically like a hypermaglev. But then in reality, what he did was he put a bunch of his self driving cars in a tunnel under Vegas, and that's the hyperlink. [01:12:37] Speaker B: But like you were saying, the whole fact that public transport is a fantasy, that the timetables are just the greatest kind of. [01:12:45] Speaker A: Well, think about how many films where the train has turned up just on time and left just on time to create impact or create drama. [01:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:55] Speaker A: It wouldn't happen in West Midlands trades. [01:12:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:59] Speaker A: You've never seen him get like a rail replacement bus. [01:13:03] Speaker B: Do you imagine, like trying to Busan if that was like, oh, we've had to cancel the train because of a lack of train crew, or we haven't got enough carriages because they're all stuck in, you know, layobus to Busan would. [01:13:14] Speaker A: Be a very different one. [01:13:16] Speaker B: Bus replacement service to Busan. That would be how it works quite good. [01:13:20] Speaker C: There's a parody in this. [01:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah, but how about yourselves? Lee, what would be your ideal mode of transport? [01:13:29] Speaker C: I think the main thing that's coming to mind is because I've been playing like the latest hoyoverse game. So I'm thinking of the Astral Express from Star Rail. It is quite literally in the title of the game, because it is a train that goes through space. [01:13:47] Speaker B: It's there on the title screen, isn't it? [01:13:48] Speaker A: I was gonna say it's not a train. Well, it's not a steam train, but it's very steam train y looking. Sam, how about yourself? [01:13:56] Speaker D: Anything porterly? I think Stargates or Rick and Morty. Portal gun would be perfect. I think just open a door and walk through it. [01:14:07] Speaker C: So that just made me think of the portal gun from portal. [01:14:10] Speaker D: I mean, there is that as well. Yes. [01:14:13] Speaker A: You'd have to fire that quite a lot to get any distance, though, because it's not really that far. [01:14:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:19] Speaker C: And it will only fire until like, moon dust. [01:14:22] Speaker B: Yeah, but the thing would be is that if you had the portal gun thing, you would end up walking past lots of people that are just going through their portal. [01:14:33] Speaker D: It would just make life just generally incredibly confusing if everyone had pulls the guns and was just cheering. Yeah, maybe not that. Then stargates where it's like just one thing that you can all walk through and you know, where you go, you. [01:14:47] Speaker A: Know, you know, stargates with a puddle jumper, because then you got your mode of transport at the other end. Yeah, I think I'd probably go for speeder bike. Because it would still work nowadays. But 300 miles an hour through traffic, you're pretty good. They're pretty quick. [01:15:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it would be quite cool. But I still think I quite. Would still fancy the kind of rocket pack. [01:15:15] Speaker A: Rocketeer style thing. [01:15:16] Speaker B: Yeah, Rocketeer style thing. Because you get the cool helmet as well, which be good. But again, it's the same as the kind of the pressure thing. You just ruin your hair all the time. [01:15:25] Speaker A: Just come off with a helmet. [01:15:29] Speaker B: It would be, like, terrible. [01:15:30] Speaker C: Not the G forces. [01:15:32] Speaker A: No slamming into the ground at 300 miles an hour. [01:15:36] Speaker C: Air pressure. [01:15:38] Speaker B: That's always the thing I always find disconcerting. When you get somebody who's worn a motorcycle helmet or a jetpack helmet. They take that off and you go, your hair would not be like that. [01:15:49] Speaker D: Cool. [01:15:54] Speaker A: It is time for our regular feature of one geek thing. Where we pick the one thing since the previous episode. Which has been consuming our geeky interests. I'm gonna go with Lee first. [01:16:08] Speaker C: Okay. Which is kind of appropriate, considering we're toy in med transport. Because one thing that it made me think of. Is that I've been playing the original Max Payne. And obviously, that starts in, like, a subway station. And I was thinking. I almost brought up the fact that that's the other end of it. Where it's, like, it's a completely useless subway station. You never see any trains in it. [01:16:30] Speaker A: Is bullet time a form of transport? [01:16:34] Speaker C: Not how it works in that game. It's so short. But it's like, you know. But, yeah, like, I'm kind of going back through remedies, games that I have not played. So I picked up Max Payne at the gaming market a few months ago. Picked up Max Payne one and two for the ps two. So I've been playing through that lately. And also because I do plan on making an Alan wait two video. And there's sort of, like. Because they're referencing so much stuff. I'm like, it probably might be worth going back to the ones I haven't played. To see what I'm missing. [01:17:12] Speaker A: I played Max Payne three, which was a weird thing. [01:17:17] Speaker C: But, yeah, playing the original Max Payne. And it's definitely an experience to play what is basically remedy's second game ever. No one really talks about the first one. She's like, death rally something or other. But it's obviously a lot of people know about Max Payne. It's the sort of crime thriller thing that they did. It's got bullet time. And Sam Lake's face is just there all the time. Him doing the weird face, the permanent. [01:17:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:48] Speaker C: But, yeah, it definitely feels like a game from 2001. It's very clunky. Just very kind of. You also kind of forget how short the levels that period are. Like, you walk through, like, three rooms and then there's a loading screen. But, yeah, it's also, like, very different when it comes to, like, remedy stuff because especially, you know, control and the Alan Wake games, where it's all, like, very surreal, very, like, you know, very. [01:18:21] Speaker A: Noir inspired or the first couple. [01:18:23] Speaker C: Whereas Max Payne, very straightforward, very hard boiled. It's just like, guy's family's been killed. He's out for revenge. He's just out murdering everyone. And that's about it. There's some stuff in there about, like, the criminals might be one of them's, like, a Satan worshiper or something. There's a whole thing where he's, like, calling on everything he can in an attempt to summon something, and he's calling on the norse gods and some other things. And then randomly, Cthulhu's in there as well, for some reason. And that was the most sam lake that it got. [01:19:02] Speaker A: We're gonna be interested when you got into Max Payne two because it's a little bit of a departure from Max Payne one, if I remember correctly. It's been a fair few odd years since I played it. But it was, I think, that first inkling of stuff like Alan Wake. [01:19:16] Speaker C: Well, a big thing with that I've actually read about, you know, remedy and all this was the fact that between Max Payne one and two, some lake took screenwriting lessons. So, because he'd obviously written this story for Max Payne, but he was like, I don't think it's very good. So I'm gonna go, you know, take on screenwriting classes to try and improve my writing. And that's why, if Max Payne two has that element, that's probably what it is. It's a result of him doing all that. And obviously, he's just honed his craft over the years and just everything's now referencing everything else. [01:19:48] Speaker A: And it's interesting what you feel about the interface, because I know it was very much the FPS's back in those that erade the thing was kind of sorted out. [01:20:00] Speaker C: It's kind of like, I think the main issue that I have is just switching through weapons because you're having to go through the D pad and cycle through every single one of them. There's no weapon wheel. There's no inventory space. Also, loading up the game is really confusing because rather than just, here's an option that says, load game. You continue from where you left off, you load the game up, and to get back to where you were, you got to go to the level, select, go to the latest level that's available, and that's how you get back to where you were. And I'm like, why are you. [01:20:34] Speaker A: What? Glad you're not having to write a password down. Me and Keith remember that from our ancient days of gaming? [01:20:43] Speaker C: Well, I mean, I definitely was playing games of that era, you know, I did have like the snares and stuff. [01:20:49] Speaker B: So, yeah, it was worse when it was passwords that were like icons of things as well. Oh, my God. [01:20:55] Speaker A: Just horrible memories of stuff like Day of the tentacle coming back and the wheel for passwords, etc. But it's quite interesting because I can imagine this is games that are never going to get remastered. Like, we've seen a remake. How is it getting a remake? [01:21:10] Speaker C: Remedy remake in Max Payne one and two. [01:21:12] Speaker A: So they bought the license back off Rockstar. [01:21:14] Speaker C: Now Rockstar are publishing it, so they're. [01:21:16] Speaker A: Doing it for Rockstar, I was gonna say, because that was the kind of weird thing is because Rockstar took Max Payne three off remedy and gave it. [01:21:23] Speaker C: To a different developer, because they've always owned the rights to it, and obviously remedy didn't. It's the same thing with Quantum break, which I've also bought because it was on sale and the summer sale for a fiver. So I was like, yeah, I should probably get that. Because if I'm going through all this, I should probably look at that. Especially after playing night springs, because there's a whole thing in Night Springs for Alan Wake two, where you play as Sean Ashmore, literally the actor Sean Ashmore. [01:21:55] Speaker A: Because that always gets me, because he's got the Ashmore twins, and they turn up randomly, but you never know which one's which. I don't think I've ever seen them in anything together. [01:22:05] Speaker C: But, yeah, as soon as I played that, I was like, oh, God, I've got to play quantum break, haven't I? [01:22:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, they've been together in a couple of things. I'm sure they've turned up in Warehouse 13 at some point. [01:22:17] Speaker A: I think one of them was in Warehouse 13, the other one was in Killjoys. [01:22:21] Speaker B: They might think it was episodes where they were both in it, and I think they were bothering killjoys this point. But maybe I'm wrong, and it's just I couldn't tell one. [01:22:29] Speaker C: I mean, knowing, knowing. Knowing the way this is going with, like, the remedy universe. I wouldn't be surprised. They hired the other one and they. So they. They could have them together, especially because it's a whole multiverse thing going on and there's multiple. [01:22:43] Speaker A: Maybe they'll hire the other Ashmore to be the new Max Payne and get rid of Sam Lake's face off him. That would work. But, yeah, I mean, they are great games, and I think, as you said, they invented. Well, they didn't invent bullet time. They were the first one, clearly, like, off the back of the Matrix. [01:23:00] Speaker C: The Matrix. [01:23:01] Speaker A: But they were the first ones to bring that to the gaming world of slowing things down. [01:23:05] Speaker C: It's also just, like, very interesting to kind of see that history. Having played, like, you know, Alan White two was one of my games of the year last year, and, like, it's just kind of interesting to see, like, the contrast between, like, their, what is, like, their first sort of classic one and their most recent one, and, like, how different they are. And you can kind of see the progression over the past few years. But, yeah, it's been a fun time. [01:23:28] Speaker A: Going through that awesome sound with Unix. [01:23:34] Speaker D: I have been watching an excellent new series on Netflix called Supercell. [01:23:41] Speaker A: Not the gaming company that makes Clash of clans? [01:23:43] Speaker D: No, not as far as I'm aware. They might be multitasking, but no, this is a superhero drama produced and directed by rap man. About, basically the idea is there's a number of black people in south London who suddenly, out of nowhere, develop superpowers. They don't seem to have anything in common, but one of them finds that he's able to teleport through time and space, accidentally teleports to the future, and is told that if he doesn't assemble the team of powered people to battle some sort of evil force, then his girlfriend is going to be killed on a certain day. He then comes back and has to try and track down all these other people. It's really, really exciting. It feels like the vibes of it are very similar to the first season of heroes. And all the acting is great. The characters all come from slightly different walks of life. So one of them is a sort of young south London gangster type. He's not a very nice character. There's some quite interesting sort of dynamics in terms of the normal kind of superhero or. They're all really good guys. They're definitely not all really good guys. They're very flawed human beings. And, yeah, I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Binge watched a bunch of episodes last night, and I think I've only got one left now, which is going to be my thing to watch this evening. [01:25:33] Speaker A: I think it sounds very kind of misfits. Heroes. [01:25:40] Speaker D: Yeah. I think if you enjoyed misfits or heroes, you will enjoy this. I'd say excuse more towards heroes than misfits, in that misfits is quite comical, whereas this is very much more of a drama. Oh. It's got some very creepy villains as well, who are some sort of superpowered people, but they seem to be getting kind of controlled by a shady agency, which I think is led by Eddie Marzen. I've only seen him very briefly so far, but he always makes an excellent baddie. Yeah, it's really, really compelling drama. If you like your superhero stuff and you've not had too many Marvel films recently, then, yeah, definitely recommend it. [01:26:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I like it when somebody takes a darker look at the superhero stuff, like the boys, etcetera, having that kind of superheroes, if they were in real life, aren't gonna be nice and happy people and nice and saviors. [01:26:45] Speaker D: Even though they've got the powers. It's not a kind of, oh, now I can do whatever I want kind of thing. They've still got problems in their personal lives and that sort of thing that they need to tackle that powers can't help them with. And, yeah, it's. It's. It's a fresh take on the genre, and it's worth watching. Definitely. Awesome. Thank you, Keith. [01:27:09] Speaker A: What is. [01:27:10] Speaker B: All right, so I'm picking something that started life off about eight years ago as a trial pilot for Adult Swim as part of their tunami block back in 2016. Everybody was talking about it last year when it aired on HBO Max, which we didn't get in the UK because HBO Max just want to sell us dungeons and dragons knockoffs, Game of Thrones, and it's spin offs, but it's. In the last couple of months, it's actually made the move to Netflix in the UK, and it's an animated tv show called Scavengers Rain, which is basically the story of an interstellar cargo ship that undergoes some kind of catastrophe in which the crew have to abandon ship, and the ship then crashes on an alien planet. And the various survivors are separated across this mysterious alien planet, which is not where they want to be. And the basic story is of them trying to get the ship back down to a point where they can get back to it. They don't know. They all. They're not in communication with each other. And that builds up over the series, and it's just beautifully animated. It feels very european in the style of animation. It's got a very Mobius, airtight garage feel to it. The kind of like weird seventies style of stuff. And it's also really interesting because the planet is extremely alien. All of the life forms that these people come into contact are just utterly bizarre and surreal. And the kind of the complications of trying to survive on a planet that is not designed to support human beings is really cool. And there's lots of character dynamics going on and how these characters are then trying to struggle with all the various fauna and flora encounters they get. And how do they get back to the ship, which will hopefully get them off the planet and back to where they were supposed to be going? It's beautifully animated. A relatively unknown voice cast, not full of major stars, but it's just beautifully animated. Feels really weird and unusual and unsettling in ways. There's visuals that you just kind of go, this is really kind of weird and creepy and odd and you just. You don't really know if everybody's going to survive because the stakes are just so high that you just think this just not look good. And you do really feel connected to these characters and kind of think, oh, you know what? I don't know how you're going to survive. And you kind of wonder as well, like, if this was me. I just think this is just too alien to even consider how you would get. [01:30:02] Speaker C: So I'm looking like pictures of it and it really reminds me visually of the game sable that came out recently, like a couple of years ago. Yeah, just because it's. It's obviously both of them clearly inspired by, like you said, like the Inkholm sort of stuff. But yeah, that's, ah, but it's also just kind of the ship designs and things like that. [01:30:27] Speaker A: Yeah, this is a theme that's been visited in quite a few video games. I mean, weirdly, Pikmin. But if you think of journey to the Savage planet and the big game that came out that everybody hated and now everybody loves, Spacey one came out on PlayStation, you know which one? [01:30:48] Speaker C: I mean, there's a lot of things. [01:30:51] Speaker A: That it was the big no man's Skydehe. [01:30:54] Speaker C: Okay. [01:30:54] Speaker A: Where you start off, you're stuck on a planet, you got to repair your ship, etc. And get off the planet. But it seems to be something that's been. Yeah, video game heavy because you put you in that first person perspective, but not something that's being visited much in Sci-Fi tropes recently. [01:31:09] Speaker C: I mean, the thing obviously, with Sable is. It's. It's set on a planet and it's not like someone's crash landed there. It's a society that just exists there. But. Yeah, but that's just sort of like. Like the vibe that I got from it was that same. [01:31:22] Speaker A: I love Sci-Fi like that, and I can't remember seeing anything like that for a while. [01:31:26] Speaker B: I mean, it gives me vibes of. There's a 1973 film, the La Planet Sauvage, which was released in the west as the Fantastic Planet. Again, was a weird kind of like, I don't even know if they were human beings, but they were like. It was just really weird and kind of really unusual. And scavengers rang is very much like that. The only downside to it, unfortunately, is HBO Max cancelled it, so it was one season, which I've not got to the end yet. So I'm assuming that it doesn't wrap itself up in a nice, neat bow at the end of it. But with the move to Netflix, there is a hope that it will be renewed. But who knows? But I think it's still worth watching as a visual extravaganza in kind of like, you know, if you love beautifully animated series, it's not overtly dialogue heavy, you know, but it just gives you this vibe that you just kind of like, you're kind of compelled to kind of go, I need to see how you're going to get out of this because. Or what weird alien life form you want to get next. I mean, people talk about James Cameron and the kind of bio diversity that you created for avatar, and you go, yeah, but most of those, do they look like weird shaped giraffes or, you know, there is some kind of connection to this is kind of animators off the hook completely, and you just get. There's things that you just go, I don't. I don't even understand what this is. But it's truly a genius piece of animation and a lot of people were singing its praise and it's done well critically. And I think, you know, if you're into kind of something slightly more challenging and bizarre, it's definitely worth a watch. Only twelve episodes. They're kind of about 25, 30 minutes an episode, but it's quite compelling and I highly recommend it. [01:33:17] Speaker A: Awesome. Quite weird because mine takes a little bit of everybody else's themes into one show, which is a show that was on another network that was got cancelled and has been returned really fast. Formal transportation, which is Star Trek prodigy. So it was originally on Paramount Plus, Nickelodeon Paramount co production, which has now moved to Netflix after it got cancelled on Paramount plus. And they bought it back for season two on Netflix. But I think it's one of the better things that's come out of new Trek, to phrase it that way. It's absolutely fantastic voice cast in it. So you've got Brett Gray, Ella Panel, Jason Manzoukis, Angus Imery D, Bradley Breaker, who is mister voice actor guy now? I think he's pretty much in everything under the sun. He played really well. He did the entire bad batch and Clone wars clones. But yeah, you've got quite a few returning characters from Voyager, especially for season two. So you've got Kate Mulgrew. It was in season one. We get a lot more Robert Picardo, Robert Beltram than this. And I think Wil Wheaton and Jamilia Jamil pop up occasionally. [01:34:22] Speaker B: Jamila Jamil's in it quite a bit. And will Wheaton does make a significant appearance in this second season. [01:34:28] Speaker A: Yes, but the theme is written by Michael Giacchino. [01:34:31] Speaker B: Yep. [01:34:32] Speaker A: But I just really liked it. I really enjoyed the first series, and it was a different kind of version of Trek, which is these people just find the prodigy ship in the middle of nowhere and decide to use it to try and get to Starfleet and join Starfleethe and then we get. I can't remember what the name of the big ship is. It's the Odyssey or something. The one that. [01:34:53] Speaker B: The one that I can't remember name. [01:34:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it's based on the ship that they had in Voyager, which was a fake Star Trek ship, if you remember all that and kind of all weird. [01:35:04] Speaker D: But yeah. [01:35:04] Speaker A: For season two, we haven't got the prodigy, but what we have is the Voyager a. So I think it's a nice way to tie it into the kind of previous era of training. At the same time, I don't think Voyager got as much love as it maybe should have done in its original run because it was just overshadowed by what was next generation and DS nine, which is still one of the best shows ever made. Not even Star Trek. I just think it's one of the best shows ever made. But I really enjoyed having this extra slice of the Star. Star Trek universe. Yeah, I just really like the premise, really like the cast. It's quite nice having just an oddball cast of these people. And the season two is more about their struggles of integrating with Star Trek and Starfleet. And I think it's been really well made and animation quality is pretty good. I don't know, I mean, Keith, you're a fan. [01:35:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I was a huge fan of the first season, and it was, it was one of those bizarre situations where they'd actually made the entirety of the second season, so they've made all 20 episodes of the second season. And Paramount plus just went, yeah, we're not going to show it. We're going to. Just not going to show it. And it kind of got kicked around for a while. It's been quite a while since it was completed, and it was only just because Netflix picked it up and made a big fanfare of it that, again, it just shows how much Paramount doesn't really understand what Star Trek is and how big a franchise it actually can be, you know, and it is a great, great show. It's a, it's a. It's clearly a kids show, but it's a kids show in the same way Rebels was in that, you know, there's elements of it that are great for kids, but it doesn't hold back and it doesn't talk down to its audience. It has a lot of kind of like, you know, quantum mechanics and time travel and stuff, but it brings its audience, it treats its audience with intelligence. And I have to praise that a lot for that because it is not just going, you know, we'll just be stupid for the sake of being stupid. There is moments where there's a bit of comedy and slapstick and certain characters are kind of like, you know, kid friendly characters that they cannot identify with because they feel a relationship with a character who may be out of their depth or kind of. They're small or not. People don't take them seriously. But again, they do such brilliant things with this that they're given the opportunity to be capable, competent, although they've all. [01:37:36] Speaker A: Got their own skill set and they've all got their own way of doing things, and it's very much aching. We are greater than some of our parts if we work together. And that's kind of the theme. [01:37:45] Speaker B: It's another one of these found families because they all, in the original series, they're all kind of disconnected. [01:37:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:37:53] Speaker B: And then they come together. So there's the initial distrust between them all, and they start where there is no working universal translator, so they can't understand each other. They're not speaking the same language. And then things kick off and the holographic Katherine Janeways brought in. But it's a great show. John Noble plays one of the main characters as well, which is really good. And it's just such an. It's such an interesting premise, and it is Star Trek. It's 100% Star Trek, and it's working. [01:38:24] Speaker A: Together for a common goal, which you don't get. [01:38:26] Speaker B: It's that kind of thing of like, this is what Starfleet in the Federation is really about, and in a current planetary situation like we are. It's that whole idea. The planet they're trying to save, solemn is intrinsically xenophobic. They fear the alien and other people coming to it and how it would destroy their sense of culture and whatever it is. And it's kind of like, no, actually, we all share and come together. We can be greater than the individual parts. So it's got, and he's got a really good message to say and stuff. So I think it's another. It's a great show. [01:39:07] Speaker A: The one thing I wanted to call out was actually, we get a first proper view of Sati chan ops in any kind of style. It's always been like a. It was in, it was in next generation as a kind of joke, and. [01:39:18] Speaker B: Then it was, you do get it in lower decks. Yeah. You know, you do get to see, because they have to clean out the cetacean ops room. So mostly you see Boimler going in and there's two dolphins in a very kind of like, yeah, grutty looking pool. But yeah, you do kind of see. [01:39:33] Speaker A: Well, you get, the purpose of satisfaction is what I'm saying is rather. Lower decks is great. And I love lower decks. It's more that fantastical just humor of lower decks. But it's. [01:39:42] Speaker B: Yeah, but I kind of think it's funny to see that my favorite Trek shows are the animated ones that really embrace Star Trek and what it means and what it's about and stuff. And they do so, so much better than the kind of live action shows which kind of tend to pander to the adult audiences who kind of just think, well, you know, that that's the audience we're chasing. It's like, it doesn't really always work. There's something about Star Trek that if you lean into that, it is, you know, well worth exploring that universe. So I love it. It's great. [01:40:18] Speaker A: Yeah. It is one of the best kind of young adult shows, I'd say, probably out there at the moment. Thank you for joining us on the Geeky Brummy show, this issue. Lee, where can we find anyone? [01:40:33] Speaker C: Like, you can find me on YouTube, Obertfurret, and on Twitter at the cheap ferret, as well as on the geeky Brummy website every Thursday Friday doing the games roundup. Yes, I got there eventually. [01:40:51] Speaker A: Where else may we find you? [01:40:53] Speaker C: You can also find my freelance work around the Internet, including silicone era Keith. [01:40:59] Speaker A: How about yourself? [01:41:00] Speaker B: You can now find me as Hardlook hotel on all platforms. So, yeah, so I've managed to lose an underscore somewhere along the line. I'm sure it's just under the SETI or like, you know, down the back of the couch or something. And then more interestingly, is Wednesdays on the geeky Brummy website and Twitter, Instagram, Facebook's with my comic selections of that particular week. Occasionally some other interesting news from across the comic related sphere. But yeah, check out talking about some kickstarters recently. So if this episode goes out soon enough, I think you might have time just to sneak in under the wire on a couple of great Kickstarter campaigns. [01:41:41] Speaker A: For UK collective friend of the show Mister Ian Richardson is currently doing his second art book. [01:41:46] Speaker B: Second art book, yeah. Which is the first one was brilliant. This one looks to be even more kind of great work. So it's always great to do that. You can get t shirt and stuff now as well, commissions. [01:41:57] Speaker A: I think there's some extras because I think it's already fully funded, but it. [01:42:01] Speaker B: Was funded within 24 hours, which was great to see. But yeah, awesome. [01:42:06] Speaker A: Thank you, Sam. How about yourself? [01:42:08] Speaker D: You can find me on Twitter at dragonsam 89 and on Instagram at sdedwards 89 and also on the geeky rummy website every Thursday doing the film roundup where I go through the, the films that are coming out that week and. [01:42:24] Speaker A: Trailer of the week is a new addition to them. [01:42:27] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [01:42:28] Speaker A: You can find us all at Geeky premiere on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, geekybrummy.com and of course these fantastic articles. But yeah, we shall be back again soon. But thank you for watching. Don't forget to do the, you know, you know, the clicky buttons that you have to do at the bottom, like. [01:42:46] Speaker B: Subscribe, give us a review, all those other things. [01:42:49] Speaker A: Hit the notification bell, hit the notification buttons. 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