[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to the Geeky brummie podcast. Year 10, issue one or episode 248 of the podcast and I almost hit 250. That's slightly disturbing.
We've actually done more shows than podcasts as well because we used to combine two shows into one for the original radio show.
But yes. So it's year 10. We started February 19, 2016 at Brum Radio.
We were the first ever live show on Broom Radio. I think the station kicked off that week, but yeah, so 10 years I've got fat and older. Keith has just got older.
On the way we collected Lee and Sam.
But yes. So issue year 10. Today we're going to have a special guest with Dave Massey, who was our first ever producer and well known Birmingham face of Brumhauer. We'll be talking about some of the films and video games that came out in 2016.
We'll be discussing the launch of HBO Max in the uk and we'll be picking our one geek thing. But before all of that, let me introduce my co host. I'm Mr. Ryan Parish. Next to me is Mr. Keith Bloomfield.
[00:01:04] Speaker B: Hello everybody.
[00:01:05] Speaker A: And over on table two is Mr. Lee Price. Hello. And Mr. Sam Edwards.
[00:01:09] Speaker C: Hello.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: Let's get on with the show.
Welcome back, Dave. It's been a while since we last saw you on Geeky Boring.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: I know.
[00:01:49] Speaker D: It's been quite some time, hasn't it?
[00:01:51] Speaker A: Years, I believe. Yes, yes, but yes. So if you don't know who Dave is, Dave is Mr. Brumauer, aka Dave from Brumau. You might have heard it, Bro. MAU is a social media Enterprise started in December 2013, mostly on Twitter, but throughout the pandemic and beyond, your accounts built over 30,000 followers in the Birmingham area. Main collection of small businesses, freelancers and venues around in and around Birmingham for networking. And that's every Sunday at 8:00pm yes, yes. And you've also got Brummeu, the website, which is your website to support demonstrate events, businesses, charities, volunteer work, etc. And you also focus a lot on theatre.
[00:02:31] Speaker D: Yes, I do. Very passionate about theatre.
[00:02:34] Speaker A: Yes. So do you want to tell us how Brumau started, how you then swapped into theatre as well and how that started off?
[00:02:41] Speaker D: I was looking for work. I'd been working in retail for 20 years.
I've got a background experience in journalism and I suddenly found myself in a situation where I wanted to demonstrate my skills.
So I started to go on social media, create content from doing that.
And that was in 2013? December of 2013.
And from that I then got invited to go out and explore the city.
I started off by reviewing a steakhouse, which was my first thing. And I'm not someone that is the first person you'd ask to go and do that.
[00:03:23] Speaker A: As long as it's not fish or seafood, you're pretty much good.
[00:03:25] Speaker D: Yes, I'm usually pretty good with that. And then I started to go and explore other venues around the city.
I built a website from that, which is my Brumhour website, which I've had this on its second iteration, possibly its third iteration now, and that's been. That current version's been there since 2019.
And it's just an opportunity to share about heritage in this city, share about content that people create themselves as well, and also draw an attention to how people can get into industries like this.
[00:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So you focus quite a lot, as you said, on the third sector, smaller businesses. So why the focus on that rather than some of the larger employers in Birmingham?
[00:04:10] Speaker D: A lot of the time those larger businesses are working with each other already. They've already got those connections built up. And having something like Bromero gives small businesses and across platforms these days you can go on LinkedIn and share things on LinkedIn with me and I'll reshare them through LinkedIn as well. And it allows those small businesses and individuals the chance to just shout about themselves. And not necessarily we're from a city where people don't really big themselves up.
So it gives you an opportunity to back pat someone like yourselves, who are on you, you know, 10th anniversary and really shout about and really champion those sorts of things.
[00:04:54] Speaker A: Awesome, thank you. And yeah, so you said you moved on to more doing theatre as well across the website. So how did the theatre element start?
[00:05:03] Speaker D: I actually don't recall how that started. It just sort of happened. Yeah, I had reviewed theatre in my previous job role, which was I. I was a student journalist.
I. I'd done that a few times in the 90s and then it was a skill I'd already got from that, that course. And I found myself chatting to people from theatres and particularly because I didn't have any experience in ballet or Shakespeare or opera. They wanted someone who was coming fresh into that to be able to come and review.
So that's how I sort of began that. With zero knowledge of any of those sectors at all.
[00:05:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So there is a lot of theatres around Birmingham and in a 50 mile radius. If you think about things like Stratford upon avon, Wolverhampton, Coventry, etc. So what kind of theatres do you
[00:06:01] Speaker D: usually cover I cover the probably five theaters in Birmingham, but the main. The main three, the Hippodrome, the Rep and the Alex, those are the ones I tend to go to most of the time. They have homegrown and touring productions.
There's usually.
At the Hippodrome and the Alex, 25 productions each year to go and. To go and see. And then the Rep, they tend to have things there for a little bit longer, so there's usually about 10, 12 productions to go and see per year. And then I'm down in Stratford seeing Shakespeare, which is the weirdest thing for me, to go and see Shakespeare down in Stratford. And it always feels really lovely just to go down there, because you take a whole day out and get to go down to Stratford, down by the river there.
[00:06:47] Speaker A: And as I said, you covered the Wolverhampton Grand.
[00:06:50] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:06:50] Speaker A: There's quite a lot of independent theatres of Earl in Burn, which people don't realise. This is the old joint stock.
This is the old Rep, which does a lot of stunt, short tours or again, homegrown talent, Case Live D and
[00:07:03] Speaker E: D.
That is what I'm seeing at the All Reptoire.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:06] Speaker D: And that. And that's attached to the Crescent now.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:07:09] Speaker D: Which is a great theatre to go and see. See productions in as well. That's a lot of homegrown productions in there as well.
[00:07:17] Speaker A: And then you've got. Yeah. Blue Orange Theatre.
[00:07:19] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:07:19] Speaker A: Crescent Theatre as well, you mentioned. So there's a lot of smaller theatres and you've actually done quite a lot of ballet stuff as well. Yeah, we're based.
[00:07:27] Speaker D: It seems so likely that I'd be doing the ballet.
[00:07:29] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: So we're based in Millennium Point for the podcast, which probably have seen in the past we've mentioned, but we're just right behind Birmingham Conservatoire here as well. So I know the ballet do a lot of productions there.
[00:07:40] Speaker D: Yes. There's. I mean, there's a theater space in the conservatoire to, you know, and then I'm sure it's two buildings up from here.
[00:07:48] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:49] Speaker D: To go and see productions. And those are student productions bringing out quite niche content that you wouldn't expect to see, particularly at a college university.
And they have their own unique spin on them as well.
[00:08:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I believe Julian Lloyd Webber is at Birmingham as well. So if, you know, Andrew Lloyd Webber is more. Probably slightly more famous father, but. Yeah.
[00:08:12] Speaker D: And you'll see him around town.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:15] Speaker D: Which is quite. Quite weird just to, you know, have that.
That very strong theater connection, you know, to that kind of theater royalty.
[00:08:24] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:08:25] Speaker C: Awesome.
[00:08:25] Speaker A: Thank you. And Then our big thing is always the pantos. So you always have a massive panto season for Christmas. I mean they've drove probably the most known panto in the area. But again, there's some fascinating smaller pantos
[00:08:38] Speaker D: around the region and at the moment, even in February, there's adult versions of pantos coming out which I'm sure have got quite. Yeah, don't take your kids to them. They've got some quite grown up content to come and see.
There's particular ones going to the replacement this week and I'm sure one of the other theatres has another.
[00:08:58] Speaker A: I think the old reps showings, Star Wars Burlesque Theatre, predict that's just finished. But that was in London, I think just off the West End for a while. Yeah. So you've taken your love of theatre and you used to do Broom Hour on Broom Radio and you occasionally do episodes of that, but you now mainly concentrate on interval theatre every Tuesday at 3pm on Broom Radio and also available on MixCloud and podcasts.
[00:09:20] Speaker D: You've got all the details there. Thank you for having to do that. All the things I normally shout out.
I championed to get a theater show on Brom Radio for over a year before. And that's how long it takes to get productions through.
When people get through a production, a radio show started within three months or whatever. I'm always impressed because to me that's a fast turnover.
But I championed having that show for over a year and then it began in 2019, which was the week of World Theater Day, which takes place in March each year.
[00:09:55] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:09:55] Speaker D: And I've been doing. I did that. We did it through the pandemic as well.
And it's a weekly show. There's enough individuals who want to be interviewed from theatre are in Birmingham pretty much every week.
[00:10:08] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah. So explain the concept of if you wanted to listen to an episode of Interval Theater. What's the kind of.
[00:10:15] Speaker D: I play the type of cheesy tracks that you won't find anywhere else.
[00:10:20] Speaker A: Bit of Andrew Lloyd Webber.
[00:10:21] Speaker D: Yeah. If you're listening, the only place that you'll probably find similar tracks to what I'm playing is on Elaine Page's show on radio too. That's that. That's where the main area of that is.
And there is some Lloyd Webber in there as well.
But the tone of it can veer anything from kids, kids musicals to adult. Adult shows as well.
[00:10:42] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's usually a combination of music, interview with a guest and that's usually when the production's Coming up on tour or just about to Birmingham, unless it's
[00:10:51] Speaker D: doing 10 weeks, which some shows do. Peter Pan's coming to Birmingham as a homegrown production at the. The Rep this Christmas.
Look, this December of 2026.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:04] Speaker D: And that's. That's not even a panto.
That's going to be just a show that's just there for eight weeks.
So you're going to have that situation where there's going to be music that's homegrown from that show. And I'll play that on interval theatre as well.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: Awesome. Thank you. And yeah, on your latest episode, you spoke to David Sturzaker and Jayden Hanley. So that's on a tour of Dear England, which is coming to the Hippodrome. So do you want to tell us about how they.
[00:11:33] Speaker D: How that went? I went down to Milton Keynes to do that and it's quite weird because you're put on a train with people from a Birmingham theatre. You go down, you see a show and then you're the people from the show then come and speak to you, you know, in part of the theatre. You get 10 minutes with each of them just to find out what they're doing.
These guys all have Birmingham connections. Sir David, he used to be on BBC. Doctors Jayden, he'd. He grew up in Solihull. So they all had those connections. And then I interviewed Samantha Womack, who's in that production as well, and that she. She's spent Christmases in Birmingham from the panto as well. So they've all got those strong connections when they're looking for that angle. But it isn't necessary to have a Birmingham angle, you know, in the. In the interviews. Yeah, they can come out, explore Birmingham for the first time as well.
[00:12:28] Speaker A: So why such a focus on theatre? Is it because pretty much every performance is unique or different.
[00:12:33] Speaker D: I wanted to prove that someone with my working class background could go and do something like that.
And that was what drove me to go into that industry in the first place, just to. Because I was somebody that couldn't sing, couldn't dance and can't act.
And being desperate to grow up into theatre and do something in theatre, to find a niche and have that niche carved out.
Where I'm interviewing people, I'm always surprised that I'm in that scope of doing that. And it's something that if you don't think you've got the skills in one place, you'll find a skill to get yourself into that environment.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: And it's not just the People front of stage as well. I know you focus a lot on the front of stage, but there's a lot of people who work in the back of stage of theatre and you always highlight like that as well on Interfield Theatre. So you want to tell us a little bit more about the other roles that you speak to.
[00:13:28] Speaker D: I'm working my way through interviewing everybody at Birmingham Royal Ballet.
So I've interviewed everybody from education department to digital content creation.
My most recent interview was with Isabella, who worked in. She worked in the costume department. She builds the costume. She is a costume creator. And just going into that department and seeing what it's like to have all that costuming all around the back of the theatre is just amazing. Just to see that and the detailing and the embroidery in it and to have it really close to see it and then to see it on the stage two weeks later.
And the things they were highlighting, the fact you can be at the back of the theatre and see the detailing in those costumes and the light hitting and it's sparkling at the right moment.
It's really important.
[00:14:17] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:14:18] Speaker A: I mean, there's always a great opportunity with Birmingham Heritage Week, where you can usually go and explore the back of theatres. They'll show you where the dressing rooms are, they'll show you where the costuming departments are. So it's always a really good one. I think that happens every year around September. Yeah.
[00:14:32] Speaker C: So.
[00:14:32] Speaker D: And you can get on tours of theatres through the year. The Old Rep does tours throughout the year. The Alexandra does a ghost tour that you can go to.
And if you are someone that has an affinity with ghost tours, you probably will enjoy that because it is a little bit spooky in the dark that that tour is usually at 10:30 at night after a production. So they'll have something like 222 ghost story there or something that has ghosts as the theme and then they'll do a ghost tour of that.
The Hippodromes Theatre tour is less haunted. So you go to the theater.
[00:15:07] Speaker E: I'm less interested.
[00:15:08] Speaker D: Yeah, go there. And that one's just a heritage experience to go and see. But they all do this. And if you go to the Rep for theirs, you go down into the costume department in the belly of the building and that's really exciting if that is your sort of scope to go to. Yeah.
[00:15:24] Speaker A: Thank you. So if people wanted to get into theatre in Birmingham and beyond, how would you recommend getting it in?
[00:15:30] Speaker D: I think people just need the determination for a start.
It is a lot of hard work, is a lot of ongoing thing. You have to be able to take time for every single week, just like creating podcasts, like, for yourselves. You've got to be able to appreciate how much time and effort and energy it's going to take to get into it.
But determination will get you there. That's. That's the first battle, I think, for doing it.
[00:15:59] Speaker A: Awesome. Thank you. So how about yourself? So it's been, as I said, a few years since we last caught up with you. I think it was pre pandemic, so I can imagine that was a massive change for you, for Bromour, and just in general for your content. So how's it been over the last few years?
[00:16:14] Speaker D: The environment on social media has changed considerably and we're now in this position where I can share content just on the touch of a button on Instagram.
I can do the same on LinkedIn. And it gives me chance to again draw to that Birmingham voice, that idea of heritage versus industry versus culture. There's always that opportunity to just build and share that content through it. And people send me things a lot as well. There's a lot of things that I get sent and some of them are on brand for what I do and others are a little less on the brand. But it's always interesting to see what people think I might share, you know, in terms of content and in terms of being excited about what's going on in the city.
[00:17:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: And you're still with our lovely old friends at Brum Radio.
[00:17:06] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: So do you want to hear what's happening at Brum Radio nowadays?
[00:17:10] Speaker D: What's happening? We're always looking for. Which angle do you want to hear? Do you want to hear me talk about the.
I'm always looking for volunteers.
[00:17:18] Speaker A: I was going to say you also manage the volunteers for.
[00:17:20] Speaker D: The people tend to stay with us for about 18 months and then they realise they can go and get paid for what they've learned with us, which is a brilliant thing because it's really empowering to people that come to us and it gives people the skills that they wouldn't necessarily have picked up in any other environment.
We also have shows that tend to be around about two years with us and you go through a topic that you can't get anywhere else. The whole point of how your podcast started was because you wouldn't be able to make Geeky Brummy anywhere else in terms of getting that voice out there.
And then the types of shows that we have, they have that unique voice to them even 10 years later, which is wonderful. Just to Have.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: Thank you. So if you want to find you on social media, you're not just on Twitter where you originally started Brummeu from, but you have expanded out on Twitter. So do you want to tell us where you're from?
[00:18:15] Speaker D: You can find me on X Romau, you can find me on LinkedIn. I'm on Instagram. Those are the main sort of ones I'm at the moment. I do have profiles on other platforms but I'm not necessarily using them at the moment.
You sort of, you know, social media is such a fluid environment to be in and moving forward into those spaces with ease is what it's all about.
I'm still not going to TikTok. I'm still not taking TikTok trends.
It wasn't. It wasn't for me.
Learning to dance on TikTok was not something I was going to be doing.
But, yeah, you can find me on
[00:18:55] Speaker A: all those at brom hour and bromoura.co.uk for your longer form theater reviews. And if people want to get in contact and share things about Birmingham, they can. And how will they get in contact with a DM on Instagram or.
[00:19:06] Speaker D: Well, I can be instant messaged on any platform you can find me on.
That's usually the best way to do it. Just tell me that you've got something you want me to share and I'll pull that face that just says, I'm not going to share that. Or I'm happy to share it if it's on brand for being excited and champion in Birmingham.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Brilliant. Thank you very much, Dave.
[00:19:26] Speaker D: Thank you.
[00:19:27] Speaker A: Speak to you soon.
[00:19:28] Speaker E: Brilliant.
[00:19:28] Speaker D: Thank you.
[00:19:34] Speaker A: So, as it's our 10th year anniversary, I thought we'd look back 10 years ago and see what was coming out in the cinema.
[00:19:41] Speaker E: So 10 years ago was 1996, right?
[00:19:43] Speaker A: Yeah, 1996. Yeah.
But, yeah. So looking at the stuff that came out in 2016, but I thought we'd do a bit on films, bit on video games and probably next issue, look back to some of the comics and TV highlights of 2016. So we picked three films and the common thread is they're all now on Disney plus, which is.
Remember we used to have separate media companies, There was more than two or three, but. Yes. So we thought we'd pick out three films and I'm going to hand over to Sam, Sam's going to lead on this a little bit because we're talking about three films which are now streaming on Disney if you want to watch them.
[00:20:17] Speaker C: Yes. So to start with, I think we're going with Rogue One, which was directed by Gareth Edwards, starring Felicity Jones, Diego Luna, Ben Mendelsohn, Alan Tudyk, who has since become a bit of a kind of Disney stalwart, but we'll come to that in a bit.
Forest Whitaker, Mads Mikkelsen and host of Other People.
So it's a Star wars film based on the opening crawl from the first Star wars movie and the fact that the rebels had won their first victory and stolen the plans for the Death Star. So really brief couple of lines in the first Star wars film has spawned Rogue One, which was intended to be the first of several standalone Star wars films.
The next one being a Star wars story, which then didn't do as well as they'd hoped. And that kind of put the kibosh on that whole plan a little bit.
It's also, I believe, the first live action Star wars film to feature characters that were introduced in the animated TV shows. So you've got Forest Whitaker playing Saw Gerrera.
And it did forge a bit of a legacy of its own in that it had its own spin off in the form of Andor, which is probably the best Star wars thing since the first Star wars trilogy.
And it had a couple of Oscar nominations as well, both in the technical categories.
[00:21:54] Speaker A: So, yeah, Gareth Edwards kind of big breakout movie. So we've done monsters before and something else.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: You've done Godzilla.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: Just done Godzilla, Yeah. So the. The big Godzilla that came out previously. But this was like his big, big movie, Big temple movie. They said it was the first anthology movie. And yeah, I mean, it was very weird in the fact that everybody dies.
[00:22:18] Speaker C: Spoiler.
[00:22:18] Speaker A: Sorry. By the way, if you've not seen it, you've had 10 years. That's what I'm gonna say. But the whole purpose of the movie is nobody else gets out, really, apart from the plans. But yeah, I mean, it's absolutely brilliant. I think it's probably the best thing since Disney token over Star Wars Apocrypha Mandel film wise.
[00:22:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say so, yeah. Yeah. I do love that whole.
I know everyone does die, but there's a sort of.
There's a few films that are based around rebellions where they really kind of need to capture the desperation of what they're trying to do as this kind of smaller, weaker force against a huge power.
And I thought that works really well where they sort of. They almost kind of do their one bit and then that's their kind of heroic sacrifice to ultimately achieve one goal.
One of the Hunger Games films, I Thought did that quite well as well. There's a bit where they're going to blow up a dam and you really kind of feel the desperation of it.
So, yeah, I did think as a kind of plot device, it introduced these characters, it made you care about them, and then it gave them their moment to kind of shine in the spotlight and before they sacrificed themselves.
[00:23:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it still has very many parallels to current political situations around the world, about resistance and hope and overcoming what could be overwhelming odds and things like that. And I think, yeah, it was beautifully captured. I mean, special shout out to Tony Gilroy. He was one of the writers on it. And then it's pretty much taken on and done. Andor I think he was involved in quite a few of the reshoots towards the end. I think Gareth says it's pretty much a collaborative project now. He did do the most of the direction, but I think there was quite a significant amount of reshoots towards the end of it which Gareth might not have been as involved in.
[00:24:04] Speaker B: It was one of those ones where the trailers featured a lot of sequences that didn't end up in the final cut. But I think they reworked it for the better. Yeah, really in the way that film also it features the.
Possibly the best space battle in Star Wars.
[00:24:19] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: The battle over the attack over Scarif is fantastic. The fact that, like, they made what was CGI models look like physical models. You know, when you see the Star Destroyers coming out of the shadow of the Death Star and stuff, and it's like. It just looks so fantastic and the way they rework in bits from the original trilogy. So you have characters you later then see in the Battle of Yavin as part of the attack squadrons going on at Scarif. It's just wonderful. It's the best.
[00:24:46] Speaker A: Well, it explains the disappearance of Blue Squadron at Yavin, doesn't it?
[00:24:50] Speaker B: Michael Giacchino does a fantastic job as the kind of first non John Williams y score for a Star wars movie. And it's just magnificent. Really kind of gets.
[00:25:00] Speaker C: Says something. I think as well that what you've just described as the best space battle in Star wars is kind of the B plot, the film.
It also has, I think towards the end, the best Darth Vader fight scene.
Him in the corridor, really kind of showing what he can do as an evil force wielder.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: Which is interesting because the guy who plays Darth Vader in that sequence, Dave of Geeky Brummy, George's partner, knows the guy, knows the actor that played Darth Vader whose name I can't remember at the moment. So I apologize.
[00:25:34] Speaker C: Sorry. I thought for a second you were going to say Dave plays Darth Vader.
[00:25:37] Speaker B: How did I not know that?
[00:25:39] Speaker E: So tenuously.
[00:25:40] Speaker B: We have a link
[00:25:43] Speaker A: played by English. English people. Before was the body. But yeah, I mean, special shout out to Ben Mendelson. He's probably a lot of people's introduction to Ben Mendelsohn as an actor. He'd been in quite a lot of stuff before it, but his role as Director Krennic is one of the most believable and nasty people that you see in the Empire. He's like fully on. Like this is what you expect the Empire to be. This man is fully in the Machinations and he's there Empire building for himself inside. He's one of those people who wants to be credited. He wants to be shown he's the person behind it. And none of that actually comes into Star wars because it's all about Grand Raft Tarkin. And you see this whole claim for power and he was grasping and then the Decline afterwards where he's not even mentioned, which he wouldn't be. But in the universe it works really well. I think he's just a brilliant characterisation of what the Empire is at that point of it's just people grasping and trying to cut their own small area out of it and their own stake in this giant thing.
It's all about that. And it comes so much great, as I said mentioned in Andor to a head when you have that final scene of him at the ISB interrogating and they all know it's gonna.
That's him running off to Scarif then to try and stop it going on because we know the plans are being stalled. But it's. That whole building just makes it such a great thing. And I think Andor. And this is now a companion piece. You could probably watch season two of Andor, the final two episodes and then jump straight into Rogue One. And it's just a nice big four hour long movie, basically.
[00:27:16] Speaker C: I think I pretty much did do that when Andor finished. And it felt weird because the. The pacing at the beginning of Rogue One just feels so quick compared to the buildup you've just had from Endor.
[00:27:29] Speaker E: But.
[00:27:29] Speaker C: But yeah, it absolutely works.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, yeah. And I said it introduces quite a few characters. So we see. I think Chopper pops up from Rebels. If you've seen him. He runs around Yavin 4, you hear Captain Syndulla over the microphone again back to Rebels. And then you Mentioned Saw Gerrera from Clone Wars. So it kind of. It really helped integrate what had been quite disparate parts of the animated universe and the live action Star wars universe together.
Yeah. So I think if you've not watched it yet, you are missing out on some of the best new Star Wars.
[00:28:02] Speaker C: Yeah. And if you've not watched it yet, watch Andor and then watch Rogue One.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: Yes.
Not the other way around. Watch Andor now. Rogue One. Yeah. So next film.
[00:28:12] Speaker C: So next up we've got Deadpool. So directed by Tim Miller and starring of course, Ryan Reynolds, plus Morena Baccarin, Ed Skrine, TJ Miller, Gina Carano and Brianna Hildebrand.
So this was obviously Ryan Reynolds played Deadpool in Wolverine, which is another one
[00:28:32] Speaker A: where nobody talks about X Men are against Wolverine.
[00:28:34] Speaker C: They planned to do the anthology thing and it didn't quite work out as Frislan ii.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: That movie doesn't exist.
[00:28:40] Speaker C: But he was actually well received enough within Wolverine for Fox to greenlight Deadpool fairly early on. It then fell into development hell for a number of reasons.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I think Ryan Reynolds Turner's the Green Lantern didn't help his reputation at that point.
[00:29:03] Speaker C: No.
And also the fact that they were very keen to have Deadpool as an R rated film, as it should be, based on how graphic the comic book can be, which Fox wasn't particularly comfortable with until they finally gave them just enough money to do some test footage, which was all done in cgi. But Ryan Reynolds voiced Deadpool.
Fox still weren't quite comfortable at that point, but then it got leaked somehow
[00:29:36] Speaker A: mysteriously, mysteriously, just before Comic Con. I believe it.
[00:29:39] Speaker B: Ryan Reynolds knows nothing about it.
[00:29:41] Speaker C: Absolutely not.
But the public absolutely went mad for it as soon as it came out. And that was what finally persuaded Fox to let them make the film in the way they wanted.
And it was phenomenally successful. It was the most successful R rated movie up to that point.
Paved the way for things like Logan, which came shortly afterwards and obviously spawned a couple of sequels. So you had Deadpool 2 in 2018 and Deadpool and Logan in 2024, which ultimately kind of closed the book on the Fox Marvel franchise.
So, yeah, what do we think of Deadpool?
[00:30:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, 78 award nominations, 29 wins. It won Best Movie at the Critics Choice Awards, the Golden Globes, the MTV Movie Awards, People's Choice Awards, Tina Choice Awards and the Empire, Empire Magazine Awards. So I think most people liked it, but yeah, but yeah, I mean, I appreciate Lee is not a fan of superheroes and Lee's watched it More than anybody. Fourth wall breaking superheroes. Probably even like, that's the worst thing for you as Foos.
[00:30:55] Speaker E: Well, it's also just like, I cannot stand the humor of Deadpool.
Like, because like the VR game came out a few months back and like just watching the trailer for that, I was like, why do people like this?
[00:31:09] Speaker A: Well, it comes back from the character itself. It started off 1991. Rob Liefeld, Fabian Nikhazia, if I get his name right.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's close enough. Yeah.
[00:31:18] Speaker A: So he started off in Marvel Comics in 1991 as a spin off of X Men. I think he started off at Urban
[00:31:23] Speaker B: X Men, but he appeared as a henchman to a character called Gideon in New Mutants 98. So he wasn't really a fully rounded character at that point. And Gideon, who was supposed to be the big kind of like big bad villain, disappeared and. And then Deadpool developed over years and kind of just got given various bits of.
[00:31:43] Speaker E: Problem is, when you say Gideon in the context of comics, I'm just thinking
[00:31:45] Speaker B: of Scott Pilgrim, kind of essentially the same character.
[00:31:50] Speaker E: Why? He gathers seven.
[00:31:52] Speaker B: Seven evil exes.
[00:31:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, so concept was Merc with a mouth. He had none of the fourth wall breaking stuff.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: No, he was just a geezer with swords and stuff. And he just took out people. He was kind of assassin, almost a
[00:32:04] Speaker A: pastiche of Deathstroke in who was a Teen Titans villain.
[00:32:09] Speaker B: No, I don't think Robert Liefeld and Fabian had any kind of ties to Deathstroke.
[00:32:15] Speaker A: No inspiration at all. Total coincidence.
[00:32:17] Speaker B: Characters looked almost exactly the same and used the same weapon set and like, you know, had the same thing.
[00:32:23] Speaker E: As a sort of side note, like Waller sort of on this of similar characters. It does. It has reminded me of the fact that Marvel vs. Capcom 3 in the intro, they put him up against Dante from Devil May Cry. And I'm like, that is kind of the perfect pairing.
[00:32:36] Speaker A: The quippy boys together.
[00:32:38] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah. And both with swords and guns.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:32:41] Speaker A: You know, but I think watching it back now, I mean, it was made on a smallish budget. It would say a medium sized budget, about $50 million.
And then it made about $800 million, I think back.
So it did really well considering. And I think, yeah, Fox would never have taken that risk unless that trailer got released. But it was. I think it was. Ryan Reynolds was so impassioned about playing that character.
[00:33:08] Speaker C: And I think early on in his comic run, the Deadpool gets compared to Ryan Reynolds. Yes. And yeah, that seemed to have spiked it off.
[00:33:17] Speaker B: It also has a quite cool Post credits sequences as well.
[00:33:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:22] Speaker B: It's quite funny.
[00:33:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:23] Speaker B: Particularly mentioning the fact that he goes back and deals with the version of
[00:33:27] Speaker C: himself in Wolverine Origins. Nuts to Green Lantern being floppy.
[00:33:33] Speaker E: So I believe.
[00:33:34] Speaker A: But I think it was a big demonstration of. Yeah. Superhero movies don't need a cast of a thousands. It's a very small cast if you think about it. So you think. Yeah. We got, as you mentioned, Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool. The only real crossover you get is Cyclops. Sorry, not Cyclops. Colossus and what's Face Megasonic Teenage Warhead.
[00:33:57] Speaker C: Because it's nice to see Colossus get a proper character because he's very underserved in the main X Men films, I think. And I do quite like him. Yeah.
[00:34:06] Speaker A: And I think it's quite hilarious how they take the mick out of that and it's like we can only afford 2x men to appear in this film.
[00:34:11] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:34:12] Speaker A: It's like incredibly self referential. And unfortunately Deadpool 2 isn't a patch on the first one. I don't think.
[00:34:19] Speaker C: I don't know. There's elements of it that I think are fantastic. It does a great reference to the main X Men films.
[00:34:30] Speaker A: I think Deadpool 1 and Deadpool 3 are much better than Deadpool 2, personally.
[00:34:34] Speaker B: Oh, well. I'm not quite sure 100% on that.
[00:34:37] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm not sure I agree. I really loved it.
[00:34:39] Speaker B: The introduction of Cable is fantastic double timing on his Marvel characters.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: Deadpool 2 does have the world's best cameo of Brad Pitt as well as somebody who's completely invisible for most of the film. And then just. Yeah.
[00:34:53] Speaker C: I love Domino in Deadpool 2 as well.
That superpower's not very cinematic.
[00:34:59] Speaker B: The whole X Force thing is pretty cool. In Deadpool 2 I kind of really like it.
[00:35:03] Speaker A: I mean I just have a soft spot for the first one. I think it was made with more heart, if I put it crasser.
[00:35:10] Speaker C: That's all it is.
[00:35:11] Speaker E: Cool.
[00:35:12] Speaker A: So coming on to our third film and we move on to something more of the animated genre.
[00:35:16] Speaker C: Yes.
More sort of classic. What people think of as Disney. We had Zootropolis or Zootopia to give it its proper American name.
[00:35:24] Speaker E: It's weird that we changed it.
[00:35:26] Speaker C: It's because there's a zoo in Europe that is called Zootopia.
[00:35:32] Speaker B: Everybody has to explain that because nobody's
[00:35:35] Speaker A: ever heard of it.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: So we changed the name to avoid it being confused with somewhere nobody knows about.
[00:35:41] Speaker C: But to be fair, I know about it now. Wouldn't have known about it otherwise.
So. Yeah. Starring Jennifer Goodwin, Patrick Bateman, Idris Elbur, Jenny Sate, J.K. simmons, plus appearances from Octavia Spencer, Bonnie Hunt, Tommy Chong, Shakira and Alan Tudyk, who as I mentioned earlier, has had a career of various levels in most Disney films. So since I think Frozen.
And he's actually got quite a nice kind of nod to that in here because in Frozen he plays a character called Duke Weselton and they make fun of him by calling him Duke Weaselton. In Zootopia he's a weasel called Weaselton and people keep calling him Weselton.
[00:36:29] Speaker A: He also plays the chicken in Moana.
[00:36:31] Speaker C: He does indeed. Yes. Yeah.
So it's set in an anthropomorphic world in a city that's divided by habitats populated by animals. It's got loads of excellent animal puns and little background jokes and nods to what people think of when they think of those animals. So there's a brilliant bit where the. The DMV is run entirely by sloths who are incapable of moving.
[00:36:59] Speaker A: I use that GIF so many times at work.
[00:37:02] Speaker C: It's brilliant.
It spawned a sequel that came out last year which was also phenomenally successful. So the first Zootropolis made over a billion dollars at the box office.
The sequel has made just over 1.8 billion and is now the ninth best selling film of all time.
Zootropolis 1 won the best animated feature at the Oscars. Zootropolis 2 has been nominated for it this year, although probably not going to win because of K Pop Demon Hunters being such a big thing.
One thing I thought might be quite fun for this one would be if I.
So I mentioned the animal puns. There's a couple of bits in particular where Judy Hopps, the main character, is cycling through some artists on her iPhone.
And also Duke Weaselton has a load of bootleg Disney DVDs. So if I give you some of the real world names, can you guess what the animal pun on them might be? So challenge the Beatles.
[00:38:11] Speaker A: The Beatles.
[00:38:12] Speaker C: No, I will say Zootropolis is almost entirely mammals.
[00:38:20] Speaker A: The Beavertles.
[00:38:22] Speaker C: Not quite. It's the Beagles.
Destiny's Child. I quite like this one.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: You go on this one.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: I've got no idea.
[00:38:34] Speaker A: Come on, have a guess.
[00:38:36] Speaker D: Come on.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: We should be good at this.
[00:38:39] Speaker E: Terrible.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: Destiny's Child. Destiny's Child. Destiny's Destiny.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: Destiny's Child.
[00:38:48] Speaker B: Any clues?
[00:38:51] Speaker C: Think more like less of a pun, more of a play on words.
[00:38:58] Speaker B: We're not going to get it.
[00:39:00] Speaker C: That's a Destiny's Cub. Oh yeah.
Fleetwood Mac.
These are harder.
So It's Fleetwood Yak.
[00:39:17] Speaker A: Moana Mooanna.
[00:39:19] Speaker C: You're very close. Different animal.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: Meowana.
[00:39:23] Speaker C: Yes.
Big Hero six.
[00:39:27] Speaker E: Big Herd six. Maybe Big Hero.
[00:39:31] Speaker B: Sloth.
[00:39:32] Speaker A: Badger Hero six.
[00:39:36] Speaker C: Badger. Did you say B slots wrongly?
Pig Hero.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: I'd watch that movie.
[00:39:45] Speaker C: I'll just run through a few others rather than making you guess.
So there's also U2 with you being Ewe.
Katy Perry. Guns N Rodents, Fur Fighters, Hyena, Gomez.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: All the ones we would have got
[00:40:04] Speaker C: Mick Jaguar and then wrangled Wreck It Rhino. Meowana Floats in two. Not so sure about that one.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: That was reaching. That one.
[00:40:14] Speaker E: Yeah, that was the 5pm on a Friday.
[00:40:18] Speaker C: Interestingly, Jurassic, which is gigantic, which was a Disney film that was kind of being planned at the time but ultimately got canned.
[00:40:28] Speaker A: So you could have gone with Jurassic Park. That would have been more senseful. Yeah, yeah.
[00:40:32] Speaker C: Where it would have worked. Yes.
[00:40:33] Speaker A: I mean, it was off a string of big hits from the Disney animation studio at this point. So it said Frozen, Big Hero 6, quite a few big, bigger Disney films. It kind of went off a little bit and then we went into the whole remake live action territory. But they seem to be focusing back more on animation now.
[00:40:50] Speaker C: Yeah. So there was. There was also Moana came out later on in 2016, which was huge and one of the best ones, I think, of that period. But yeah, they were on a really good run ever since Princess and the Frog and Tangled in particular.
John Lester, I believe, had just taken over as creative controller, who's not as well liked now as he was in
[00:41:15] Speaker E: the time for good reasons,
[00:41:20] Speaker C: but did do a fantastic job of reviving the main kind of Disney animation.
[00:41:25] Speaker B: He was taking that kind of Pixar sensibility back to Disney.
[00:41:30] Speaker A: Well, it's quite weird because Pixar were having a bit of a not slump because they had Flying Dory, but there was good Dinosaur and a few flops around the same time.
[00:41:39] Speaker E: But, like, I know that, like, it was his obsession with Japanese media that led to AKB48 being in wreck It Ralph. And I was just like, okay, yeah, like the fact that I only know about this band because I went to. To Japan, the fact they ended up in a Disney movie was bizarre.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: But yeah, but yeah, thanks, Ham. There are three good films that we believe were all worth watching, all on Disney plus, and we'll probably come back and pick some films later in the year.
So we're getting another streaming service in the uk because that's where everybody wants another streaming service to give us even more content that nobody's ever going to be able to get through in a month.
But it's HBO Max, and we discussed about this in the last episode before Christmas of is it going to actually come to the uk? It's the whole Warner Brothers Discovery cluster sale thing, but yeah. So HBO Max, Keith, you've been looking into this.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been toted for quite some time that HBO was going to launch in the uk.
So it was going to launch originally as a separate individual thing, as you were saying, because of the. The Netflix deal that had been up in the air, but they've recently announced
[00:42:51] Speaker E: they have to keep changing the name of it.
[00:42:53] Speaker B: Well, I think since they announced that it was coming to the uk, it's gone through about three different name iterations. I think it's launched in a couple of other European countries. In the meantime, England was one of the kind of late rollout kind of things.
So now we're at a point where it's actually being officially launched on 26 March, and in a shock, not to most people, though. It's been rolled out as part of Sky's package as well as a standalone app. So if you happen to be a Sky customer, you're going to be rolled into having HBO Max as another kind of addition. Same with NOW tv, which I'm very pleased about because I'm on Now tv.
[00:43:27] Speaker A: Well, it's been HBO content that's been pretty much the home of it.
[00:43:31] Speaker B: Well, Sky Atlantic is basically in the uk, the home of all of the HBO content.
But what they've been doing is holding back a lot of content to promote the launch of the new service in the uk. So particularly most egregious to myself is the pit has been held back. The Americans have just started on the second season. We still haven't seen the first, and that's going to be the big kind of title that they're going to push HBO Max out with. They've also taken friends off other services, I think Netflix being one, and they're going to be using that to kind of just get everybody onto it.
[00:44:04] Speaker E: It's fine. It'll be back on Netflix eventually also as well.
[00:44:08] Speaker B: They're going to be exclusively showing the Harry Potter series is going to be going through the HBO part instead.
[00:44:17] Speaker E: So what they call watch, just so we're clear.
[00:44:21] Speaker B: So what. What they're saying is that current content that's on sky will continue to be part of Sky. So things like Game of Thrones, Seven Kingdoms and other, you know, kind of stuff like that. But anything new will be going through the HBO max part of the subscription, which is really confusing because if you're on sky anyway, you're still getting it. So it just.
Instead of watching it on Sky Atlantic, you're going to be watching it through the HBO segment of their thing. They've got various price tiers. They start at the kind of five pound a month, which is the with ads option. It'll then go up to.
I think it's about tenner and you get less ads and you then start to get like more. More streaming opportunities. You can have it on two devices, you get slightly better sound and then if you pay a ridiculous 15 quid a month or whatever it is, you get Dolby Atmos and you know, no ads or whatever it is. I think because I have Boost on now tv, I get the no ads one, which is great. And so I'm going to be watching all of the Pit at the time. So. And you've also got the films. They're bringing films and their sports channel, which is I think TNT Sports.
[00:45:23] Speaker A: TNT Sports, the one I mentioned as well on the basic with ads version, which is the five pound one. You don't get all the movies either. So it's.
[00:45:30] Speaker B: No, you get. You get the non kind of Sky Cinema. I think some stuff goes through Sky Cinema. Some stuff will be going. So I think.
I can't remember what some of the big releases that they've touted for being
[00:45:41] Speaker A: Superman, I think is the big Superman,
[00:45:43] Speaker B: I think is one. Yeah. So it's tricky for a lot of people because it's like there are. There is stuff on there that you want to watch. There was stuff that was previous places that they've now pulled back.
But again, yeah, it's just more money for kind of big. I was hoping it was just going to get rolled into part of Netflix and you would get it as that because Netflix is quite the most expensive for me. It's the most expensive subscription package I have at the moment and I feel like the least value.
So I'm wondering now whether I look just jets and Netflix entirely and rely on kind of now TV and hbo because that's going to be where a
[00:46:14] Speaker A: lot until HBO is bought by Netflix.
[00:46:16] Speaker B: That's crazy. I mean, do you think you. Do you currently subscribe to sky or now? Are you likely to pick it up for any of the shows that they're putting on?
[00:46:25] Speaker E: I'm bad at TV shows. So now
[00:46:29] Speaker C: I'm on now as well. So I need to look into what I'm going to get through that.
[00:46:36] Speaker B: I think if you're on the kind of just the regular now package, you'll get HBO Max straight away. You'll just get the ad assisted version.
[00:46:46] Speaker A: I can give you the exact blurb from the website if you like. I mean, one thing I was going to say is TNT Sports, which is their sports package. That's £31amonth.
[00:46:55] Speaker C: I don't care about sports.
[00:46:58] Speaker B: Yeah, this is strange, strange thing going on.
[00:47:00] Speaker A: These tables, Football, rugby and tennis, I think is the three main ones that are leading on that one. But yeah, TNT Sports is very expensive.
But yes. So if you're an existing Now Entertainment member, you will get HBO Max Basic with ads, which is a nice short description for the first level of service and no extra cost. With your new Now Entertainment and HBO Max membership from the 26th of March.
Short names again, I think we should all.
[00:47:26] Speaker E: I love when they tack stuff on and they're just like, all right, we're going to keep adding stuff to the name now.
[00:47:30] Speaker B: I do think we should always refer to it as HBO Max Basic with ads.
[00:47:34] Speaker A: But now if you're an existing Switch
[00:47:37] Speaker E: online and expansion pack, if an existing
[00:47:40] Speaker A: Entertainment member will automatically update your membership to Now Entertainment and HBO Max towards the end of March, your payments will stay the same and basically all it'll do is just you've got different, different apps. But as Keith, if you said if you've got Boost, you get a different tier.
[00:47:51] Speaker B: Yeah, you just don't get the ads.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: But yeah, that's good to know.
[00:47:54] Speaker C: There's a few things on there.
Like John Oliver starts again this weekend, I believe at Time Reveal.
[00:48:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I've noticed that they've taken off the more recent seasons off Now TV as well. So it only goes up to season 8 and then a lot of the other ones are missing. So I'm like, where's my John Oliver fix?
[00:48:10] Speaker C: Thank you very much.
[00:48:10] Speaker A: Samoshi being season two of a Knight of Seven Kingdoms, if they're doing a second season, will probably drop on their House of Dragon. If they're doing any more of that, they'll slowly start shifting.
[00:48:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I think, I think the confusion is, is the stuff that's still Sky.
[00:48:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: And Sky Atlantic and the stuff that will be HBO Max. So I think it's, I think the deal is it's if it's been on sky, it stays on. Stays with sky as well.
And if it's all new content, it's HBO Max, which is why the pit is going to be HBO Max.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: Yeah, it's going to think like Stuff like succession that will still be kind of available to still be on sky anyway. But yeah, there's going to be this weird new tier structure. So does everybody want another streaming service?
[00:48:48] Speaker B: I want the P.
That's what I want. I want my Noah Wylie medical drama.
[00:48:53] Speaker A: But I think it will be a case of what happens when Netflix buys it because that's gonna be really interesting to see how that sky relationship works going forward.
[00:49:01] Speaker B: If I think it's one of those ones that's confusing for the UK because elsewhere in the world it will be a Netflix thing because they haven't got the sky problem. And I think the UK's problem is that sky has got a lot of licensing deals with a lot of these kind of like Warner Brothers HBO shows. And I think a lot of that licensing has a. Has quite some considerable time to run.
[00:49:23] Speaker E: I do feel that like the term, the phrase sky is a problem for the UK is pretty persistent.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: It has been so far this year. It's been mostly grey this year.
[00:49:34] Speaker E: I do mean the company, but yes,
[00:49:37] Speaker A: I mean, to be fair, both have been an issue so far.
[00:49:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I just wondered if there's going to be enough in there for new subscribers. I think it's great for those of us that are already sky or already are now TV subscribers, but I don't think there's enough.
[00:49:51] Speaker A: I think it would just, yeah, it would just inherit the sky chunk of people. I think if you were wanting to watch Game of Thrones and things like that, you'd have already paid for it.
[00:50:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I think what it's going to do is just going to increase the number of people that subscribe to something for a month, binge what they want, cancel and then go to another. Yeah, I don't think you're going to get a, like a long term subscription where people are going on paying this every month.
[00:50:13] Speaker A: I mean the pricing as well. I mean £15 to £5. There is five tiers, four tiers within that pricing. So they are aiming to that kind of lower end cost.
But again, as we've seen with things like Disney, which started off, I think it was 80 quid a year and now it's nearly, it's about 120.
[00:50:30] Speaker B: But I think, I think the content you get on Disney is worth it. Yeah, but I'm wondering that higher tiers, you know, who's got a 4K Ultra HD Dolby Atmos setup that you're going to get that benefit?
[00:50:42] Speaker A: Well, who's going to stream HBO Max on four devices at the same time
[00:50:46] Speaker B: with that people who watch tennis, rugby and whatever the other sport you've got,
[00:50:50] Speaker A: this is just the premium. This doesn't include the sport. So if you go for the premium package, you get all the films, all the HBO Max shows, 4K Dolby Atmos and 100 downloads per month.
[00:51:00] Speaker C: It is frustrating the amount of streaming services that are introducing an option with advertising as well.
Originally, the whole point of the streaming services was you're paying a subscription because that's how that funds them and they don't need the ads. And I still hate it. Every time I'm watching something on Amazon prime and it's this big exciting moment and then suddenly I'm watching a Flash floor cleaning advert, it just completely takes you out of it.
[00:51:28] Speaker A: Is it going to encourage people to go back to Sailing the Seven Seas, which Netflix stopped in the first place?
[00:51:32] Speaker E: Almost certainly.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: Definitely.
[00:51:34] Speaker B: I think, though, if.
If you aren't a Sky subscriber or a now TV subscriber, are you likely to go to HBO Max? Is there shows that you particularly want to see that you're going to prepare to pay this 4.99? And are you going to do the thing of jumping from supplier to supplier just to binge a series and then get your money's worth?
Yeah. I'd be interested to hear if anybody's got any thoughts on, you know, the current state of TV in the uk.
[00:51:59] Speaker A: Yeah, drop a comment below or just get in touch.
So another look back segment similar to the films we just did. We'll be looking back to some of the rather larger video games of 2016 and look at their impact and see if people are still interested today in these titles or if they can even play them.
Lee, over to yourself.
[00:52:24] Speaker E: Okay, so I sort of was looking over what came out in 2016 and there's actually a surprising amount of stuff that came up. We've got Stardew Valley Inside Doom 2016, Persona 5 released in Japan, although not in the UK. Dishonored 2, Titanfall 2, Firewatch, no Man's sky launched in 2016.
[00:52:46] Speaker A: Universal hatred.
[00:52:48] Speaker E: Well, it's improved over the last 10 years.
Hitman came out in 2016, which, you know, became like the three games that all kind of merged together and then won them the contract to do James Bond. And then. Yeah, and.
But I sort of picked out three that I felt were sort of the bigger titles.
The first one I'm going to talk about is Uncharted 4 A Thief's End, which Keith, before the segment said something kind of rude.
[00:53:20] Speaker B: Sounds filthy.
[00:53:21] Speaker E: It is not Keith, I've never thought that.
[00:53:27] Speaker B: Is this a leisure suit Larry kind of game?
[00:53:29] Speaker E: All I'm thinking is now just drake in Uncharted 2 saying it is an ass worth saving.
But, yes, it's called this because it was the end of Nathan Drake's story.
So, yes,
[00:53:46] Speaker A: was a rebel involved.
[00:53:51] Speaker E: Sorry, There is a clock tower and I think there is a bell in that. So, you know, just. Anyway, anyway, the point is that this is one of my favorite games ever.
[00:53:59] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:54:01] Speaker E: Yeah. If you've. On my YouTube channel, like, the end of the last decade, I did like my favorite games of the decade and tried four Is it two? So, you know, if you want to know how much I like that game.
But, yeah, like I said, it was sort of like the culmination of Nathan Drake's story. They'd have the trilogy on the PS3. This was like the PS4 sequel to all of that. And it sort of kind of brought his story to a close. You know, it had a lot of big action set pieces that you'd sort of expect from a child. You had the cheap chase through Madagascar. You had like, the clock terror that I just mentioned where you climb all the way up and then it all collapses down. Because, of course it does, because it's Nathan Drake and he can't leave a place without destroying it in the process.
[00:54:43] Speaker B: So he ends the bell.
[00:54:45] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:54:46] Speaker A: Or speak about.
[00:54:49] Speaker E: And obviously very sort of piratey themed as well, because it's all about sort of chasing Libertalia, which was sort of the pirate utopia that didn't turn out to be much of a utopia in the end.
But also, I think one of the big things for me that I really liked about it is the fact that it told, like, a very human story within this sort of pulp adventure sort of genre. And a lot of the focus was on kind of the relationship between Nathan Drake and Elena Fisher, who'd been, you know, sort of the couple on and off throughout the whole series. And, you know, it sort of was coming down to, like, Drake is an idiot, and he's just going off and, oh, I'm gonna go on this adventure, but I'm not gonna tell my wife that I'm going on an adventure. But she's a journalist, so she figures it out.
[00:55:36] Speaker A: You know, it's like this whole thing about his brother, I think the main plot.
[00:55:42] Speaker E: Yeah, his brother who was retconned in just so they could give Troy Baker a role.
But, yeah, like. But they made it work. Like, you know, I mean, a lot of these sorts of Things, they kind of throw whatever in anyway. Indiana Jones works the same way, Tomb Raider works the same way. So as long as there's sort of high adventure and things exploding, I think everyone's having a good time.
[00:56:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it was One of the PS4's most popular ever games.
[00:56:08] Speaker E: I believe so. Yes.
[00:56:09] Speaker A: 80 million copies. Yeah.
[00:56:11] Speaker E: Because it's one of Sony's like big franchises anyway, which is why you get people to this day saying like, oh, where's Uncharted 5? I'm like, they ended the story.
[00:56:22] Speaker A: But you can play on Windows, which is one of the few PlayStation games that has made its way over.
[00:56:27] Speaker E: Yeah, they brought the Legacy of Thieves collection, I think it was called. It was that. And the Lost Legacy spin off that they did sort of after it, which starred Chloe Fraser.
[00:56:37] Speaker D: And
[00:56:39] Speaker E: yeah, I do find it weird that they brought that to PC and not the first three games because I feel like not having the original trilogy. I feel like you're missing a lot of the sort of story dynamics of what's going on in four because again, it centers so much on that relationship. But you kind of need to understand where it has been in the three games before that scene.
[00:57:01] Speaker A: It does feel weird that. I appreciate the story ended then 10 years on and no sequel prequel, side call. There's enough characters that they could probably.
[00:57:10] Speaker E: Yeah, I think. I think the main sort of directions they could have taken it in is following up the Lost Legacy and doing more games with Chloe.
There is another option they can do, but it is a massive spoiler.
[00:57:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:57:23] Speaker A: I mean, they could do a karting game.
[00:57:25] Speaker E: They could do Uncarted. We're long overdue Uncarted, because that's Naughty
[00:57:29] Speaker A: Dog's pretty rich mode of software and is three games and then a carte game.
[00:57:32] Speaker E: Yeah, it was so disappointing because you get like three Crash Bandicoot games, Crash Team Racing. You get three Jak and Daxter games, Jak X3 Uncharted games, the Last of Us. And it's like, that's not a cartoon.
[00:57:48] Speaker A: We could redo Last of Us Courting, which would be an interesting one as well.
[00:57:52] Speaker E: Yeah, no, they haven't done three of those yet. It feels like they have because they've released them about 400 times. But.
[00:57:58] Speaker C: Yeah, what would happen if you drive into a mushroom in the Last of Us?
[00:58:03] Speaker A: Well, surely Nathan would just gun down any competition that's around him as well.
[00:58:09] Speaker B: I think it's a shame because I've not played this one because the transition from PS3 to PS4 is where I moved to Xbox. And so I've not kind of finished this off.
[00:58:18] Speaker A: But yeah, it does seem weird that one of the greatest modern gaming quadrilogies isn't available to play unless you own a PS3 or PS4 or possibly PS5. I think it's on.
[00:58:29] Speaker E: Yes, you can get them all on PS5 because like all PS4 games are playable on PS5, so.
But the Nathan Drake collection was. I think that was a PS4 release.
[00:58:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:39] Speaker E: But yeah, it's.
[00:58:41] Speaker A: It seems a bit weird that Sony are very.
Still mine after all this time, for the most part, since the game came out. Yeah, there'd be a bit more freer
[00:58:48] Speaker E: sharing it out, but you know, they're selling PlayStation plus subscriptions
[00:58:53] Speaker A: next game.
[00:58:54] Speaker E: So the next one is Overwatch, which I thought of because it's been in the news recently and it sort of reminded me that like. Oh yeah, back in the day that was huge. When it came out, it was like Blizzard's like big hero shooter at a time where the market wasn't really over saturated with hero shooters.
And also it was at a time where not a lot of games were doing that sort of cartoony art style as well. So I think it really stood out for a lot of people.
And obviously, like, it's, it's.
I've not really played it much myself. I think I played like there was a free weekend and I played it and I was like, I can't try out the characters without jumping online.
[00:59:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:39] Speaker E: With like people who are super familiar with everything. So I'm just like, I don't really like that environment. So I think I'll give this a mission.
[00:59:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it was one of the first ones, as you mentioned, that kind of group. I mean, we'd had stuff like Counter Strike and things like that for years, but this was the first kind of cartoony style one, I think. And it was huge.
I mean, I remember in 2022 when the whole Overwatch 2 is coming out and you don't have a choice not
[01:00:06] Speaker E: to play Overwatch, they replaced overwatch with Overwatch 2 and now at the start of 2025, they've replaced Overwatch 2 with Overwatch.
[01:00:15] Speaker A: Yes, they've just taken the two off the end and put it in their back pocket and pretend that nobody remembers the original Overwatch.
[01:00:21] Speaker E: It's basically this is the big apology patch where they're trying to like, you know, claw back some of the goodwill because of everything that happened with the Overwatch 2 fiasco.
Because I know it wasn't just the name change and Forcing people onto it. I think they changed it from, like. I think they changed the number of players in a match, and I think they changed some of the. It's all the sort of meta stuff that you get with pretty much all multiplayer games where it's just like, unless you're super into the game, it just goes over my head.
[01:00:49] Speaker A: But, yeah, it was one of those games as well, where you got everything unlocked at the start, which is quite different to how most modern games worked at that time. It was just. Yeah, you have everything. And if you want cosmetics, here's a shop.
[01:01:02] Speaker E: Well, it was the loot box thing that Overwatch did. They were sort of. It was heavily involved in, like, loot box controversy stuff.
[01:01:08] Speaker B: I think they did well, though, because part of it was that the characters that they'd got, you know, they'd got very distinct personalities and, you know, people gravitated to particular characters. Like, Tracer was a big one.
[01:01:20] Speaker E: Yeah. I think it is telling that, like, a lot of those characters, even though, like, again, I haven't played much of the game, they're all very recognizable characters and I like that.
So with the release of Concord recently, like, the other year.
[01:01:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:01:36] Speaker E: There was a video that I watched that talked about why that failed with its character designs versus Overwatch. And it's sort of going into, like, all the characters in Overwatch have, like, distinct silhouettes. They've got distinct. That you can look at the character and kind of go, oh, I know who that character plays just from how they look. Whereas in something like Concord, it's like. It's just a bunch of visual noise that doesn't really tell you anything.
And I think that's. It's the strength of those characters and it's the strength of, you know, just the gameplay and the fact that it sort of landed when it did. I think it sort of really jumped in at the right time.
[01:02:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:02:09] Speaker E: And, you know, people are still playing it and it's still doing well. And let's see if this has brought people back.
[01:02:16] Speaker A: Well, looking at high guard, which is a synonym of Overwatch, if you think about high and over and guard and watch, that's not really come out to all guns blazing.
[01:02:29] Speaker E: Yeah, that's. That's been a whole thing because, like, I think they were planning on doing it as a shadow drop.
[01:02:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:02:35] Speaker E: But then Geoff Keighley liked it so much, he was like, oh, I want to put it at the Game Awards and I'm going to put it as the last one. And it's sort of. People were like, well, why have you put this as the last thing? Because it just looks generic as hell. And then everybody sat there waiting for
[01:02:47] Speaker A: Half Life three and then High Guard pops up.
[01:02:49] Speaker E: Yeah. And then it was like just, we're going to spend a month not saying anything else about the game and then just casually throw it out there.
And now we're getting developers saying that, like, oh, you know, it's because of all the negative attention that it garnered around it and that's why it failed. And like, you had 100k players on launch and it's dropped significantly. You're down to like 5% of that.
[01:03:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:03:13] Speaker E: That means that people did give it a fair shake. People did try it out and it didn't keep people.
[01:03:18] Speaker A: Well, that's the thing with Overwatch. Even with Overwatch 2 slash. New Overwatch.
[01:03:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:03:24] Speaker A: People have been playing that for four years now, and they're gonna be pretty much, I know exactly how the meta works. I know which character I want. I want to main. They're not probably gonna want to swap. And Arc Raiders just coming out just before that. Which is more of a PvE simulator where you can do PvP.
If you were gonna jump, you'd have probably already jumped either Helldivers 2 or Arc Raiders. There's not enough room for so many big games. I mean, Overwatch, though, it's still ridiculously one of the largest games ever sold. I think the biggest game ever sold.
[01:03:54] Speaker B: Part of Overwatch's popularity, though, is the fact that it kind of did stuff outside of the game because I remember seeing lots of kind of like story videos.
[01:04:03] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:04:03] Speaker B: So even when I wasn't playing the game, they put out these kind of short story channels.
[01:04:07] Speaker A: Media is the way. And they were really cool.
[01:04:09] Speaker B: And you kind of, like you said it helped you identify with the characters, filled out their backstory, kind of made you feel a bit more connected. So if you were playing, you would be really kind of of like, you know, the reason I'm playing is because of the type of character I want to represent me in the game.
[01:04:24] Speaker E: And let's not forget the game's popularity with certain other video services.
[01:04:30] Speaker A: Well, I was going to say the Wikipedia description has a great line, which is the fan community around the franchise has produced a large amount of content, including art, cosplay, fan fiction, anime influence, music videos, Internet memes, and pornography.
[01:04:42] Speaker E: There you go.
[01:04:44] Speaker A: That probably should be at the start of the session. And then all the other stuff because I think, like, there's a very active community.
[01:04:51] Speaker E: There are stats of like, you know, which characters get turned into this sort of media on a regular basis. And quite a lot of the names are Overwatch characters.
[01:05:01] Speaker A: But yeah, so it's gone through every genre. We'll put it that way.
The media has gone across. So do you want to give us our final game that we're going to discuss?
[01:05:11] Speaker E: Yes. So the last game that I want to talk about is the game that I feel you can't talk about, 2016 without bringing up Pokemon Go.
Because I feel like that game just is the definition of that. Summer.
Summer 2016 was Pokemon Go.
[01:05:28] Speaker A: People running around Birmingham trying to find a stall. Axe. I remember just swathes of people.
[01:05:34] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:05:35] Speaker C: I hit level 75 this morning.
Still playing 10 years.
[01:05:39] Speaker B: Some. Yes.
[01:05:41] Speaker A: So again, a massive mobile game, but this one, yeah, Free to pay as well. Free to play as well.
Pretty much in app purchases for most of the stuff. But it was. Yeah, free to play, free to download. And with such. Well, the biggest. I think Pokemon is still the biggest franchise of all time.
[01:05:59] Speaker E: It's up there revenue wise.
[01:06:01] Speaker A: Yeah. So, my God. Thinking it's 10 years old as well this year. Yeah, yeah. So who still plays actively, Sam Keith. I know you.
[01:06:12] Speaker B: I kind of. I kind of jump in now and again when I'm kind of.
[01:06:15] Speaker E: I don't even know if I've still got it installed. Let me check.
[01:06:18] Speaker B: I mean, other pretenders to that crown have come and gone in those 10 years. There's been a lot of services that have modeled the kind of like AI ar.
[01:06:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:06:28] Speaker B: Real world.
[01:06:28] Speaker E: There's been a lot of game. A lot of other franchises have tried to sort of do the same sort of thing. Like the main one that sort of comes to mind is Monster Hunter did. Yeah. Something with it.
[01:06:37] Speaker A: I think Niantic did their own Harry Potter version as well, which they do as well.
[01:06:41] Speaker C: There's a Jurassic park based one as well.
[01:06:44] Speaker B: I think the biggest thing about the game was though, because my kids had got older and had kind of fallen out of watching the kind of Pokemon stuff or whatever it is, was having played it. I got to the point where. I got to the point where I found out that they just gave up. We're trying to create really cool and interesting Pokemons. It was like it's a chair. Call it Cheerio.
[01:07:04] Speaker A: It's an ice cream.
[01:07:05] Speaker B: It's a rock.
[01:07:07] Speaker E: Are you saying there's a problem with Klefki, the Pokemon that's made of keys?
[01:07:10] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:07:11] Speaker A: My favorite one is the ice cream where the evolving is Turn the ice cream upside down.
[01:07:17] Speaker B: It's kind of Weird considering the gameplay is very lacking really. There's not a lot of variation.
[01:07:25] Speaker C: They've introduced a lot of different things you can do with it if you want to do it. Do lots of PvP battling. There's ways of doing that if you want to walk out and do the kind of collection element.
They keep releasing new Pokemon.
[01:07:41] Speaker E: Yeah. I think a lot of the sort of ongoing appeal of it, like you said, is sort of the battle stuff, which obviously is about building up stats and that's where a lot of the meta and stuff is.
How do you build up your Pokemon team in a certain way?
[01:07:55] Speaker C: And they do change it up as well. They'll give Pokemon that have been in the meta a while different attacks or different stats and that sort of thing.
[01:08:02] Speaker A: But yeah, I mean. Five Guinness World Records. So most revenue grossed in the first month of a game. Most downloaded mobile game. Most international charts topped simultaneously for the release of a game.
Most international game. Sorry, fastest game to gross $100 million, which was in 20 days.
[01:08:22] Speaker E: I thought you were going to say like 20 hours or something.
[01:08:25] Speaker A: In its first three months, over 500 million downloads and as of last year, $8.8 billion in revenue. The only thing I was going to quickly mention as well is people might not know, but it was acquired by a Saudi company last year in 2025. So Niantic, who were the crew?
[01:08:44] Speaker E: I think scopely.
[01:08:45] Speaker A: Yes.
Three and a half billion billion dollar acquisition of Niantic, which considering they're the only game they'd done pretty much before Pokemon Go was.
What was it called? It's like an incursion game. But it was. They basically just ripped all of the data from that game and slapped Pokemon
[01:09:02] Speaker E: over the top of it. It's basically exactly the same game, but it's not got Pokemon in it. And I just can't remember what it's called because it was kind of just bland.
[01:09:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I can't remember. Yeah.
[01:09:11] Speaker A: But yeah, so wow. Still going. Still some die hard fans out there and yeah, even more probably about what, a thousand different Pokemon in there by now.
[01:09:22] Speaker E: Yeah, we started off with about 151. I know that the thousandth Pokemon is a cheesestring.
[01:09:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:09:29] Speaker C: If you go to a pigeon park on a weekend, if you're ever in any doubt about whether it's still popular or not, there will be swathes of people.
[01:09:37] Speaker E: I do do.
[01:09:38] Speaker B: When I go to get my boss and I walk through Piny park and there's.
[01:09:40] Speaker C: You go.
[01:09:40] Speaker B: I know exactly what you guys are doing.
[01:09:43] Speaker A: All the people still tethered to their battery packs and their phone.
[01:09:47] Speaker E: So yeah, those were the sort of three of the big games I think for 2016.
[01:09:54] Speaker B: But bizarre that two of them people are still playing 10 years later.
[01:10:05] Speaker A: So unfortunately we lost a couple of rather well known actors the last few weeks.
So starting off, as you probably heard, James Van Der Beek unfortunately passed away at the age of 48.
Probably best known to most people as Dawson Leary in Dawson's Creek. Big hit for the CW show and yeah, kind of a massive part of his career and a massive thing in America and still shown to this day on repeats and one of those long running shows which is a comfort show to many people.
Other roles included Dr. As the Bee in Apartment 23, CSI Cyber Pose and a couple of cameos in How I Met yout Mother and Modern Family film career Varsity Blues which was a big hit in the States. Don't think it was as popular overseas.
Rules of Attraction, which was based on Bret Easton Ellison's book, which was kind of a spin off of American Psycho. And again cameos as himself in both Jay and silent pop films.
I was also quite surprised he co wrote, produced and starred in what Would Diplo do? Which was an online series about DJ and producer Diplo which I wasn't aware of.
Yep. And then usual American reality TV fare with Dancing in the Stars where he got through to the semi final and the U.S. version of the Masked Singer where he played Griffin. That was last year.
Quite sad in his passing. He was also the first on screen Chris of Clarissa, Clarissa Explains it all with Melissa Joan Hart back in the day. So quite a big impact. And he did some voice acting work in Disney show Vampirina which I think he played one of the fathers.
Yeah, sad to hear of his passing.
And also Catherine o' Hara which was quite a surprise when she passed away.
Again, massive celebrity. People probably know her from Beetlejuice Home Alone where she plays Kevin's mother, which is probably where a lot of people remember her from tv, Schitt's Creek and other shows. But yeah, she had a career 50 years starting off in the Canadian improv scene and Second City Television which won a Primetime Emmy for made her film debut in 1980 with John Candy and Eugene Levy in Double Negative.
Other roles After Hours, Lemony Snicket, the Beetlejuice sequel of course, and worked quite a lot with Christopher Guest and his kind of oeuvre of weird comedy films like for your consideration, Mighty Wind, Best in Show Waiting for Huffman. She did a lot of VA acting as well. So Nightmare Before Christmas, Chicken Little, over the Hedge, Monster House, where the Wild Things Are, Frankenweenie Elemental and the Wild Robot. And TV wise. Yeah, we mentioned Chitlet's Creek, but last of us, the studio, which was most recently probably seen in. And, yeah, Six Feet under back in the day. So sorry to hear about passing on both those. I mean, Catherine o'. Hara, I think everybody's probably got a soft spot and a role that they like. I mean, Sam.
[01:13:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, she's done a lot of work with Tim Burton and Nightmare Before Christmas. You mentioned she was the voice of Sally in that.
That film was a huge part of my childhood. I remember all my friends being really into it as well. And yeah, obviously it's voice acting, so I didn't know it was her until sort of later in life when I come across her in other places. But, yeah, huge loss.
[01:13:31] Speaker E: Yeah. I think the main thing that sort of comes to mind is she is like the thing I most remember from the Beetlejuice sequel. A lot of it I kind of forgot about, but her performance just kind of dominated everything because it very much felt like she did Schitt's Creek.
And in that she basically just was completely unhinged and was absolutely great. And it seems like she carried that energy into the Beetlejuice sequel because, like, that's just kind of how she approached every part of it. And I was like, I'm into this. This is great. I'm glad that she's just, like, going off on one side. I think that's just because of that. That's kind of why I found the news quite sad, because it sort of felt like she was getting this resurgence where she was just going completely off the rails with all these performances in the best possible way. And I just wanted to see her do more of that.
[01:14:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it was quite sudden, isn't it, when she passed Keith?
[01:14:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it's quite surprising. I kind of. Cinema Beatle T was probably the first cinematic thing I saw in. I'm sure I'd seen her in some other bits and pieces from, like, Canadian television improv stuff. But it was the Christopher Guest stuff or that series of films that was the kind of thing for me because most of those films are like improv.
So it was all based on the comedic talent of those people involved. And all of those things are particularly brilliant. I think of those.
A Mighty Wind, where she plays a member of a folk duo with Eugene Levy, is a brilliant role, but basically everything she ever did was kind of like always kind of really funny. But she came across such a, like, you know, really cool character, like, never kind of cruel or whatever it is. She always seemed to be, like, the bright part, the bright spot of those films, like you said with Beetlejuice to the fact that, you know, playing Lydia's mum again was just.
[01:15:25] Speaker E: Yeah. It's the fact that, you know, you've got, like, Michael Keaton just going completely nuts as Beetlejuice. But she overshadowed that.
[01:15:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:15:33] Speaker E: And that's why I think, you know.
[01:15:36] Speaker B: Well, it's the way the Beetlejuice ends and kind of. You've got all of that whole thing with Beetlejuice and what. But somehow at the end, she's kind of like, well, I'm turning this into my art now, and all that kind of thing.
[01:15:45] Speaker C: It was pretty cool.
[01:15:46] Speaker A: I mean.
[01:15:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:15:47] Speaker A: I mean, Home Alone 1 and 2 is probably the ones I probably fondly remember. I was the perfect age for Home Alone when that came out. So it was kind of.
She was a bit like America's mother at that point. I think she leaves her kids at home. But that was the thing that was her.
The film wouldn't work with. About her journey, trying to get home as well.
[01:16:06] Speaker B: Well, it's that quintessential moment when she's on the plane and she just goes, kevin. You know, everybody remembers that shot as much as the aftershave bit.
[01:16:14] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, her journey trying to get home as well. We got the whole John Candy bit. And they are some of the greatest parts of the film.
[01:16:20] Speaker C: Poker.
[01:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah. That you don't really.
I think it.
Because you've got the whole slaptic comedy with Kevin, but it really grounds the movie at the same time. And it is this kind of. You forget to a certain extent that Kevin's Home Alone having this ridiculous kind of battle against two inept burglars. But without her grounding that into a real story, I think he would have come across too fantastic.
[01:16:41] Speaker E: But I think you mentioned the John Candy bit as well. I just think the fact that she was. She played so well off, basically. What was an improv performance from him.
[01:16:50] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:16:51] Speaker E: She just kind of obviously acted as, like, effectively the straight man to that.
[01:16:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:16:55] Speaker E: And I think that worked really well.
[01:16:56] Speaker B: It's the same with kind of the character she plays in Schitt's Creek as well. Because you start off thinking, these are horrendous people.
[01:17:02] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:17:03] Speaker B: And yet somehow, even though it's slightly extreme, sometimes what she's doing or what she's into, you kind of buy into it and kind of like, Go, yeah, we really like you.
[01:17:12] Speaker E: There's a description of that performance which is like she invented whole new prints, pronunciations for things that just didn't make sense in any accent.
[01:17:20] Speaker A: You can see, that goes all the way back to the start of her career working in that improv, which you got Remy for. And it's kind of. You can see that she's taken that and ran with it for an entire career. And she's probably hired on the basis of being such a great improv. Throw her into the role, let her develop the character and just let her go.
[01:17:39] Speaker E: Plus, I imagine previously working with Eugene Levy probably helped on that one.
[01:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah, well, it's kind of. You think about how much Canadian comedy bleeds across into America like John Candy and people like that. And especially in the 80s, there was that kind of big American comedy and SNL on that thing. And a lot of Canadians moved over at that point into Hollywood.
[01:18:02] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:18:02] Speaker B: I mean, she had a massive career as a voice actor as well, which is, like, not an easy thing. You know, there's a lot of actors who think they can voice, act, and they can.
[01:18:11] Speaker C: Another one to mention on that is where the Wild Things Are, which I really, really loved.
[01:18:15] Speaker B: And she's Judith, isn't she?
[01:18:18] Speaker C: Yes, I think so.
[01:18:19] Speaker B: I mean, that's a great movie. I love that movie. Spike Jones.
[01:18:21] Speaker C: Yeah. She brings a real warmth to what could have been a. Yeah, well, if
[01:18:26] Speaker B: it's that kind of interaction with her and James Gandolfini as well in that.
[01:18:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it's great.
Yeah.
[01:18:32] Speaker A: I mean, and working right up until pretty much at the end with the studio, which is, again, one of those.
I mean, I've not watched it, but I've heard it's fantastic. Seth Rogen's really great show that he's pulling in. And Catherine o', Hara, I can imagine, was a perfect addition to that cast with that whole introspective viewers on Hollywood.
[01:18:51] Speaker B: I mean, both. Both of these passings come as a surprise. Both of them, in their way, have had a massive impact on, like, the Medium. Even though Dawson's Creek wasn't my kind of show, it had a massive cultural impact at the time.
[01:19:04] Speaker A: Hundreds of memes have come out of
[01:19:06] Speaker B: that, and everybody knows a Catherine o' Hara movie and stuff as well. So. Yeah, you know, two people who have had a massive influence on kind of cinema and TV and stuff.
[01:19:16] Speaker A: Really?
Yeah. I'm sorry to hear that. They're both passed away in very short success.
[01:19:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Both well before they're due times, really.
[01:19:30] Speaker A: So it is time for Our regular segment of what thing we've been watching, viewing, listening to, playing or otherwise engaged in on our geeky pursuits since our last recording.
So I'm going to kick off with Dave, our special guest. Dave, do you want to tell us about your one geek thing and what you've been interested in?
[01:19:46] Speaker D: Yeah, thank you. My one geek thing is Star Trek Starfleet Academy, which launched this year in 2026.
It's halfway through on Paramount and I haven't, although I haven't watched this week's episode because I keep forgetting what day they actually drop the episodes.
I am halfway through this season and it is the season one of this brand new show.
[01:20:11] Speaker A: So I believe this one is kind of a spin off of Discovery or it's a continuation of the Discovery future storyline. So it's about 800 years after like Next Generation, that era.
So it's future, and I think it's set quite far after Discovery as well. I think Discovery's been wrapped up at this point. Or is it same continuity?
[01:20:30] Speaker D: Certainly a year or two after Discovery was set.
It's a show that harks back to everything because it is so far in the future.
So it has echoes of all of the other Star Trek shows within it. Some are more subtle and then some are very obvious cameos or iterations of previous characters.
And as I was saying yesterday when we were talking a little bit about this, it is the CW of Star Trek shows.
[01:21:04] Speaker E: Yes.
[01:21:05] Speaker D: Where it has got a legacy cast as well as a cast of people that you consider to be maybe between 17 and 24, but it's not quite clear how old everyone's supposed to be.
And then it's sort of focusing on individual characters in the episodes that we're getting into now. It's set at a Starfleet Academy, which is in San Francisco, but there's also a spaceship that they're on which is also the school.
And it's a bit vague as to as to why, because you think, well, is it on the ground? Is it in the air? It's.
Or are they actually going anywhere?
[01:21:43] Speaker E: Now I'm starting to understand why. I saw someone online say it was. It was the Final Fantasy 8 of Star Trek.
[01:21:49] Speaker D: Yes.
[01:21:51] Speaker A: It's very much being pitched at a much younger audience trying to get a new generation of Trek fans in. So they've done the kids stuff. So we've had Star Trek Prodigy, which I can't say which is one of the greatest bits of Star Trek. If you've not watched it, go and watch it. Some of the greatest New, really.
[01:22:09] Speaker D: It's aimed at people that watch that and they're looking for their next Star Trek experience rather than people that have come from other legacy projects or Discovery
[01:22:19] Speaker A: or Strange New World. It's trying to aim for that new
[01:22:21] Speaker D: audience wants to capture those people that watched Prodigy on Nickelodeon and then they've come on to start. They want to watch more Star Trek.
[01:22:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:22:31] Speaker D: Presumably before they watch lower depth. So, in fact, I think they're working backwards through the franchise, really, which I'm sure how people today would discover Star Trek is to go with what's on there and then go back in time for it.
It's comedic in parts, it's serious.
It's got quite a lighter tone compared to other. I mean, if you compare it to things like Deep Space Nine.
[01:22:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:22:54] Speaker D: It is very light.
[01:22:55] Speaker A: So Deep Space Nine. How are we going to torture Miles o' Brien this week?
[01:22:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:23:00] Speaker D: And it just. I mean, but he was fun to have those things happen to him. So it's. Is that. It is. It's a. It's an enjoyable show.
I do think it's quite difficult when you're holding the torch for a franchise as large as Star Trek.
To you are that that show is what Star Trek is at that exact exact moment.
So when you're looking into it, I think some people will look at it and just go, this is not my Star Trek.
[01:23:27] Speaker A: Well, you probably had exactly the same people talking about Next Generation and yes, where's Kirk and where's Spock? And this isn't my Star Trek. And it's very much story of the week. And this is a problem for a franchise that is probably as long as it's been around as Star Trek, it's similar to Star Wars. You can tell other stories within the same universe. You don't have to like everything. It's a bit like Doctor who.
[01:23:48] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:23:48] Speaker A: You don't. You don't like the current Doctor, fine. Another Doctor will be along in four or five seasons.
Just skip this one if you don't really enjoy it. Or go back to watch some of the classic episodes if you want to. It's kind of.
This might not be made for you, and that's fine. You don't have to consume every single bit of meat in that universe.
I mean, a lot of people don't read the Star Trek books or play the Star Trek games or read the Star Trek comics, of which there has been thousands upon thousands of. It doesn't mean that everything needs to be conjoined.
[01:24:16] Speaker D: What I will say about it is that shift in focus from it being the broad themes that you found in Star Trek Next Generation or Voyager or Deep Space Nine. These are very much episodes that I focus on person persons and the characters within that rather than people who come from particular species or having big political issues. These episodes are very personalized to one character.
[01:24:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:24:43] Speaker D: And you see the show from that character's experience. Experience, yeah.
[01:24:46] Speaker A: I mean, I know there's been a lot of chatter online about Avery Brooks. This is kind of the first time they mentioned Cisco and bring Benjamin Sisko back as a character for many, many years in the franchise. I know Avery Brooks and Star Trek had a kind of falling out at some point, but I believe there's a kind of a nod to him and there's quite a bit a sweet element to bringing that character back.
[01:25:09] Speaker D: Yeah. But if you're hoping to see him.
[01:25:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:25:11] Speaker D: No.
[01:25:14] Speaker A: Awesome. So it's on Paramount plus is it on Pluto? I know they dropped strange new worlds on Pluto, but I don't think it is possibly.
[01:25:20] Speaker D: Well, Strange New Worlds has gone to itvx which is the first time ITV has ever had a Star Trek series.
[01:25:27] Speaker A: Interesting.
[01:25:28] Speaker D: Yeah, they've. You can find them on. And they were broadcast on ITV1 as double banked shows to get them on to free to air.
So yeah, interesting to go and check out if you've got Paramount plus.
[01:25:42] Speaker A: Awesome. Thank you very much, Steve.
Sam, over to yourself.
[01:25:46] Speaker C: So we mentioned it briefly earlier.
My one geek thing this month is A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms which is a spin off of Game of Thrones. It's set about 90 odd years before the events of the main series and it's based on a series of short stories that George R.R. martin wrote collectively called A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. But the first season is the first of those stories which is called the Hedge Knight and it follows a hedge knight called Dunk, which is short for Sir Duncan the Tall.
And his Tall. He is very tall.
[01:26:27] Speaker E: Yes, mate, called pj.
[01:26:30] Speaker C: He has a squire called Egg.
So it's Duncan, Egg. It's their adventures.
It's really just so it's four episodes in. I think there's six episodes altogether in the series.
It's a lot more kind of digestible than Game of Thrones and much, much lighter tone, similar to how you're saying with Star Trek.
It feels very much of the same universe, but it also feels, yeah, as I say, lighter. There's a bit more humor to it. The characters are just quite sweet.
Like Duncan Egg are both really likable. They're perfectly cast so got Peter Cleffey as Duncan and Dexter Soul Ansel as Egg.
And Egg in particular is just the most adorable little kid. And they sort of. I won't say too much about his kind of background because they kind of reveal that a bit as the story goes on. But he doesn't have a great kind of father figure and he kind of attaches to Dunk quite early on in a really lovely kind of almost older brother kind of way.
Dunk is very physical, but not very bright. Egg is a tiny little kid, but he has a good brain in him. So between them they make a nice kind of pairing.
[01:27:59] Speaker A: So it's basically Master Blaster from Completely forgot the name of the franchise. Mel Gibson, Australia Desert Mad Max. Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. There we go.
Got there originally.
[01:28:13] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
And it's also very exciting. So the story is set around a klausting tournament.
So if you like things like a Knight's Tale where it's lots of knights running at each other with long sticks.
It's set in a period of Game of Thrones where it's after the original kind of run of dragons and the Targaryens have ended, but obviously before Daenerys manages to get some new ones hatched later on. So there's not really any kind of magic in the universe. It's very much more grounded.
[01:28:51] Speaker A: So, yeah, people immediately in between House of Dragon and. Yeah, yes, Game of Thrones.
[01:28:56] Speaker C: Yeah. And I like as well that the stories are self contained. So Duncan Egg are the kind of connective tissue in the books. But each story very much has a beginning and an end.
George R.R. martin does intend to write more. We'll see how he gets on.
[01:29:17] Speaker A: There's a lot of things he told
[01:29:18] Speaker E: us to write,
[01:29:21] Speaker C: but it's not going to have the same problem that Game of Thrones ultimately had where it runs out of source material and they have to kind of wing it in the final episodes kind of thing.
They can do a season for each book and they can stop it at that point.
[01:29:38] Speaker A: So that's on now TV sky, soon to be on HBO Max uk.
[01:29:43] Speaker C: Yes, Thoroughly recommend it.
[01:29:45] Speaker A: Awesome. Thank you, Lee. How about yourself?
[01:29:48] Speaker E: So I have been playing Ghost of Yotei, which came out obviously towards the end of last year, but I got it for Christmas and I was like, I'm just going to put it into like my rotation of games during the week.
You know, I try and sort of alternate between different things and it ended up being the only thing I played because it's just that good.
[01:30:10] Speaker A: It's A sequel to Ghost of Tsushima.
[01:30:13] Speaker E: It's sequel to Ghost of Tsushima and it's set, I think three centuries later.
So it's.
We're still sort of in ancient Japan and.
But now we've got like a new character with a new story to. To tell sort of a very. And it's a different part of Japan as well. So obviously the original Ghost of Tsushima was set on Tsushima island, which is sort of just. I can't. I think it's off the west coast of Japan.
And then this is set up in Ezo, which is now Hokkaido.
Around Mount Island. Yeah, around Mount Nyotei.
Now we're focusing on character called Atsu, who. Her whole family was killed by the Yotei 6. Basically just a group of ronin that sort of.
They killed all her family, so set fire to the tree. That's sort of on which she got like stabbed to, but she got better.
And then obviously is bearing revenge. And it's very sort of just like the first game. It's sort of kind of. It's less historical drama and more a love letter to samurai movies, you know, so like Yukurosawa sort of films with a little bit of sort of the.
The fact. The sort of western influence on those films, like the.
When you'd get like the. The Westerns that were just the samurai movies, but with cowboys, there's sort of elements of both and like how they sort of frame a lot of things. So she sort of just wonders the world. And I think, for me, I think that this is the better open world game.
I thought that Tsushima had like the more sort of interesting story just from a baseline thing of just like you had a samurai who was torn between following the honor code and sort of throwing that out the window to fight an enemy that doesn't believe in the honor code.
And this is just like a revenge story. But I feel like that worked better for an open world setting because she's trying to track down these six gives
[01:32:23] Speaker A: you a lot more to play with.
[01:32:24] Speaker E: So then you're just sort of going around like initially you're not even given like markers on, like, they're in this area and they're in this area. You have to go and find people in the world to speak to and get that information.
And I think that that sort of helped make it work a lot better because you're just sort of like, well, if I journey across here, you know, probably over found this lead in this sort of area. Head over there, you Go to an inn, you might meet a bunch of people, give you a bunch of side quests. Some of that gives you information you need. Some of it is its own thing. And I think that that just made it work because it's sort of like you end up going on all these little adventures, some of which are connected, some of which are not, but it all kind of. It tells the story of this whole world, this whole setting, because it's sort of. It's around the time where, you know, the Japanese were kind of colonizing Hokkaido and, you know, from the Ainu people at the time. So you're getting a lot of that sort of backstory, backstory going on.
So. And I just. I. You know, it's. I think the weapon system also worked a lot better this time around because you get access to different weapon masters and you've got. They've all got their own little side quest story that, you know, you go to like, the.
The guy who teaches you how to use. How to dual wield katanas, and you get the guy who teaches you how to use, like, the polearm stuff. And it's, you know, and each of them has their own little story and all of those. Their own interesting story in their own right as well. And I think that that really worked for me.
[01:33:57] Speaker A: Awesome. That's on PlayStation 5, PS5.
[01:34:00] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:34:00] Speaker A: I assume possibly a PC release in about three or four years.
[01:34:03] Speaker E: Yeah, probably, because I think sushi was on there now. So.
[01:34:07] Speaker A: Awesome. Keith, how about yourself?
[01:34:10] Speaker B: I'm gonna pick a TV show which I haven't watched.
No, no, I haven't watched it, although I do know people who have binged it since it was released on iplayer.
As of recording would have been a couple of weeks ago. Just started its terrestrial transmission on BBC2.
And it's from the genius mind of Mackenzie Crook, which most people will probably remember as Gareth from the Office.
He's since gone on to do two great shows, one of which was the Detectorists, which everybody should watch. Great.
And then also did a couple of seasons of reboot of Words of Gummidge, which was brilliant. And now he's got a new show called Small Profits.
[01:34:51] Speaker A: I was very confused because I assumed this might have a relationship with the Discworld book, but I'm assuming nothing related.
[01:34:57] Speaker B: Completely unrelated, apart from from the sense of, like, it's a bit of a magic realism show.
So I'm not going to give too much away because I think people need to go into this show quite cold.
But it stars Pierce Quigley, who was in the Detectorist has been a bit player in a lot of other comedy shows in the years prior. Also, Michael Palin is in it. They're the kind of main parts. Gareth. Gareth. Mackenzie Crook is in it as a lesson, major role, but he plays a character more aligned with the Gareth. He plays a jobsworth boss DIY story in which the lead character is working.
[01:35:34] Speaker E: He was assistant to the regional manager.
[01:35:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
And basically it takes.
Michael Palin's character talks about a story of something that's happened in the past and it's all based around alchemy and things that people do in their shed and whatever it is. And the lead character's girlfriend had disappeared and he's trying to find out, like, what happened. Did she love him? Did she not love him? What's going on with that? And it falls very much into that kind of gentle comedy arena that have drawn people to things like detectorists, Wurzel Gummidge, Gone Fishing With Mortimer and Paul Whitehouse and stuff.
So if you kind of want a kind of beautiful story with wonderful characters that are very humanistic and has a real kind of positive, hopeful message, this is the kind of TV show that you want.
Mackenzie Crook has gone on record of saying that he's wanted to steer away from what he considers to be the slightly more cruel comedy that people like Ricky Gervais has kind of pushed into. And he's very much into this kind of like, very gentle, hopeful, loving characters. Real kind of things. Things that, like, people can connect with.
And it's been in production for a while. I knew about it last year, so I've been looking forward to this series for quite a long time. I'm going to do it week by week on BBC2 and just take my time because I want to digest it and have it, rather than these people that have just binged all six episodes in a day. Stop doing that, kids. Binging is bad in any other form. Binging is not good. Binge eating bad. If that's binge, binge tv, stop.
[01:37:13] Speaker A: But if that's not the sign of a great show where you watch one episode and you instantly want to watch the remaining five.
[01:37:18] Speaker B: Yeah, but I'd say, then, then what do you do with the rest of your life?
[01:37:21] Speaker A: You've had it or watch another show.
[01:37:23] Speaker B: Binge. It's like that cake that hasn't got candles on light.
So I've got six weeks, this show, to just kind of like, indulge myself every. All the time. So. And I want to. I want to indulge myself. These are the kind of shows that you can just like. It's like a warm blanket that you can just wrap yourself in every week and just go, that was so, like, beautiful.
[01:37:43] Speaker A: The Detectress is one of the greatest modern comedies. Yeah. I'm really looking forward to this.
[01:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah. But Small Profits is a slightly bit more magic realism kind of stuff. More leaning into the kind of thing that he was doing with Walls of Gummy. So you've got kind of elements of like British folklore and a bit of magic and a bit of the miraculous and wonderful.
So, yeah, try and avoid any spoilers about the show, really, because there are things that are going to happen in it that you. That you want to be surprised by and kind of like won over by and kind of just buy into this kind of like, you know, it could really happen and it kind of gives you that sense.
But it's. It's been getting brave reviews. Everybody that sees it just thinks it's like a wonderful piece of television. And if you like the Detectorist, you liked Words of Gummage, you have a scent of kind of like that gentle comedy, like that kind of thing. I'd highly recommend you get eyeballs on Small Profits, which will be on BBC2. I think it's Monday nights if you want to watch it live on transmission. But it's all available on BBC iplayer right now if you want to catch it.
[01:38:44] Speaker A: I'd also want to recommend the Discworld book Small Profits, which I probably would say is Small Gods. Sorry, which is pretty much what I say is American Gods for kids is
[01:38:54] Speaker E: the way I describe describes Small Gods.
[01:38:59] Speaker A: It's a really good book. It's one of the more standalone Terry Pratcher books, if you've not read it. But yes, that sounds absolutely fantastic. I love Mackenzie Crook. As I said, two shows off the bat. He's done gold with Sam Machine. This is going to keep up to that standard.
[01:39:11] Speaker B: And I got to stand next to him at the Mockingbird last year when he did a kind of little thing with Ian Leigh, which was great to see him talking about when they worked together on a pilot for their TV show.
[01:39:23] Speaker A: Thank you.
Right, my turn now. I was going to talk about Smaugun Air.
I actually went on a day trip with one of my best friends and my two godsons. So, Harry, Toby, Ben, if you're watching. Hello. But we took a trip to Stroud in Gloucester and we went to a beautiful mill called the Belvedere Mill, which houses a group of vintage computer gaming. Place is called the Retro Collective.
So you have to book to go in. So you have to go into their website to book in and it's usually they go pretty fast, but it's really worth a journey over there. So it started off as a YouTube channel and Neil Thomas did a YouTube channel, Cyber Creative and then he built what is known as the Cave, which is this vintage computing museum. Lots of of consoles in there.
It's got games and consoles and everything from the 1970s all the way through to the 2000s. And what you can do is go in, just go and experience consoles. There's lots of vintage computer games magazines. They've got a fake old like 90s era video game shop where you can go in and you can play some of the games. And it's all set up with the boxes. So the old big PC box art and like N64 game boxes and SNES boxes, it's really fun to do that.
And yeah, numerous game consoles, home computers, tabletop, electronic games, arcade cabinets. So there's just this kind of breadth of things that you can go up and just get your hands on and play with. So I played with my first ever Virtual Boy, which doesn't sound very bad when I've just said that in my head. But Virtual Boy was a console designed by gunpeiyoke from Nintendo and it was kind of a semi successor to the Game Boy. It didn't go down very well, but it was VR kind of red laser headset. But it's the first time I actually ever got to put my hands on.
[01:41:11] Speaker E: And should be noted that they are bringing it back. Yes, as part of the Switch 2,
[01:41:16] Speaker A: but it was great to get my hands on and experience that for the first time. But they got consoles all the way from Atari 2600 up to, I think PS3 Xbox was kind of.
Sorry, PS2 Xbox was kind of the latest additional consoles out there. So you can go in, you can play with that really good.
Also as part of that within the cave there is the dev den, which is kind of a living exhibit to game development.
One of the guys there, Jason Daniels, who published Commodore 64 games back in the day between 1985 and 1992, worked in the industry. He has some of vintage kind of development kits. So you can go in, he's got like Sinclair, ZX Spectrum cpc, he's got some Nintendo, Sega, Sony dev consoles. So if you've never seen some dev consoles and they look completely different from the normal console, usually they can go in and you can see them and he'll talk about how they worked, how they use Systems. So he's really interesting chap. There's the actual original boombox from which all the worm sound effects was recorded on there. So what a bit of British gaming history worth going to there. So that's the kind of morning session we did that and then took a lunch break. And then downstairs they have the arcade archive which is another element of the building and they have some.
It's purely just video arcade games. That's from the 70s, 80s, 90s. So they have like Star Wars Arcade, Missile Command, Track and Field, Super, Hang On Outrun. So some of the massive console games, arcade games back in the day, Gauntlet 2, they're all free to play. So basically you just go in, you go downstairs. As I said, you're booked in, you paid your one entrance fee. But then it's just like go back to like a 90s style arcade, go and play some of the video games going back to that 80s kind of thing.
That's really fun experience to just go and free play all these consoles and usually you'll get your like minded group of people with you at the same time, people who've got interest in vintage consoles.
The one thing I also wanted to shout out as well is there's a company called Heber H E B E R I think it's Heber.
So they're also in the building and they produce an FPGA console which is called the Mr. Moultrie system.
So it's designed that you can go and use any uses to replicate arcade and home consoles from the 70s, 80s and 90s. And it does lots of different ones. So if you want to look at more information, information about the Mr. System, we'll put links in the description and on the website. But yeah, so if you want to get into FPGA gaming again you can go and speak to them and ask them a bit more about that. But yeah, they have a fantastic YouTube channel as well, such the Retro Collective. So worth a check out and have a read through.
I said not that far from Birmingham either.
Wouldn't say it's easiest to get to by public transport, but it's in Stroud. So if you can get to Stroud, pretty straightforward to get there.
Thank you for joining us on the Geeky Brummy podcast. We hope you've enjoyed our start off to year 10, episode 248 of the Geeky Brummy podcast.
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[email protected] and all social media eekybrummy. And we're Gonna have a bit of cake. And we'll introduce ourselves and we're can find us online. So we'll start off with Sam. Sam, where can we find you online?
[01:44:38] Speaker C: You can find me on bluesky, Instagram and X all @sdedwards89 and also on the Geeky Premier website every Thursday where I do a film roundup of everything that's coming to the cinema that weekend.
[01:44:56] Speaker A: Thank you, Lee, how about yourself?
[01:44:58] Speaker E: You can find me on Bluesky obferpetferret. You can also find me on YouTube obferpetferret. When I eventually put out more videos, you can also just find me. I'm a freelance writer and so my work can be found across the Internet on various different gaming sites.
And you can find me on geekybrew.com doing the games roundup every Friday.
[01:45:25] Speaker A: What?
Sorry, I'm just creating the case.
Keith, where can we find you on.
[01:45:31] Speaker B: You can find me on bluesky and Instagram as Hardlook Hotel and then on the Geeky Brummy website on Wednesdays where I kind of highlight the comics that I think are worth your attention that come out on that day.
[01:45:44] Speaker A: Yes. Awesome. Thank you. Special mention to Viv, who's usually behind the screen, but she's our producer, guiding star, my lovely wife, runner of geeky goings on. So if you follow Geeking Owings on on our Instagram account, Viv is the one who puts all the content together for that.
Sorry, this is a really hard blue star to try and cut through.
And you can find.
[01:46:07] Speaker E: It makes for great audio.
[01:46:09] Speaker A: And you can find us, as we said, on Geeky Brummy at geekybrummy on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, I refuse to call it X, bluesky and Threads where you can find all of our lovely content. As mentioned, our weekly roundup, you can find all the special features, you can find our history on YouTube if you go to YouTube.com geekybrummy if you want to go back to some previous episodes or you can watch us, of course on Spotify or listen to us on your podcast service of choice.
Thank you very much for joining us and we will see you soon for episode two of year 10. But for now, goodbye everyone.
[01:46:47] Speaker B: Goodbye.
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